 PFC_Dustin 
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Posted: 4/10/2012 3:13:30 PM
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Posted: 4/10/2012 4:01:49 PM
blinking will be normal, its an involuntary action. but flinching needs to be controlled... just dont anticipate the shot
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Posted: 4/10/2012 5:05:40 PM
Originally Posted By xachary82:
blinking will be normal, its an involuntary action. but flinching needs to be controlled... just dont anticipate the shot Any advice on how to do that? I noticed with pistols if I hit a dummy round then I drive the pistol down down so I'm obviously anticipating it but I cant seem to control it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 6:19:10 PM
[Last Edit: 4/10/2012 6:19:36 PM by StealthyBlagga]
Dry fire practice and sub-caliber (.22LR) practice will cure you. If you continue to shoot lots of full power ammo without overcoming this issue, you will just make it more permanent and difficult to overcome in the future.
Don't worry, you are not alone. Flinching is near-universal amongst practical pistol shooters, and few can truly say they have eliminated it completely. The same is true for most shotgunners. With the AR15 the problem is less common due to the mild recoil, but it still happens. |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 6:32:30 PM
Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga:
Dry fire practice and sub-caliber (.22LR) practice will cure you. If you continue to shoot lots of full power ammo without overcoming this issue, you will just make it more permanent and difficult to overcome in the future. Don't worry, you are not alone. Flinching is near-universal amongst practical pistol shooters, and few can truly say they have eliminated it completely. The same is true for most shotgunners. With the AR15 the problem is less common due to the mild recoil, but it still happens. That's a good point I do only shoot .45 so maybe I should invest in a .22 or 9mm. |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 10:35:06 PM
[Last Edit: 4/10/2012 10:36:20 PM by StealthyBlagga]
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
That's a good point I do only shoot .45 so maybe I should invest in a .22 or 9mm. Let me guess - a 1911? The 1911 .45 is one of the worst pistols for inducing flinch because it has stiff recoil, and also has a very crisp trigger so the shooter knows exactly when the shot is going to go off (and thus, when to flinch). Try a .22 conversion kit on your existing pistol frame so that you have the same feel, trigger pull etc. A 9mm pistol is another option, and a DAO trigger (Glock, M&P etc.) would be better for 3-gun as there is no safety to worry about when abandoning. |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:24:27 AM
Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
That's a good point I do only shoot .45 so maybe I should invest in a .22 or 9mm. Let me guess - a 1911? The 1911 .45 is one of the worst pistols for inducing flinch because it has stiff recoil, and also has a very crisp trigger so the shooter knows exactly when the shot is going to go off (and thus, when to flinch). Try a .22 conversion kit on your existing pistol frame so that you have the same feel, trigger pull etc. A 9mm pistol is another option, and a DAO trigger (Glock, M&P etc.) would be better for 3-gun as there is no safety to worry about when abandoning. My two primary pistols are actually XD-45s. The smallest cal I have other than a pocket pistol is a .40 Sig and it feels about the same, so Ill have to buy something new. Would it be better to use a .22 or a 9mm to try and untrain this. |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 12:10:44 PM
Yes, consider an XD9 or XDM9 for matches (no scoring disadvantage under time-plus scoring).
A .22 practice pistol is also inexpensive and fun. The Ruger pistols are a good choice, as are the Browning Buckmark and S&W 22A,, but the trigger swill not feel the same as the XD. |
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jtielke
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Posted: 4/11/2012 9:39:13 PM
A lot of dry fire, focusing on making sure the sights don't move throughout the trigger pull. When at the range switch back and forth between live fire and dry fire focusing on doing exactly what you did in dry fire with the live shots. 22 will also help.
When practicing try focusing all your attention on the front sight. Try to see exactly where it is when the trigger breaks, watch it rise up, then come back down and bounce a couple of times until it settles back in place. If you're totally focused on your shooting you won't even notice the bang. This will also help you learn the skills of calling your shots and seeing your sights which you need to shoot at the next level. Knowing exactly where your front sight was when the trigger broke will tell you where your shot hit so you can immediately make it up if necessary. Seeing your sights rise and come back down will allow you to shoot faster splits and transitions as you don't have to reacquire your sights after every shot. |
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JesseTischauser
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Posted: 4/12/2012 4:56:27 PM
I have a tendency to blink and even anticipate recoil especially if I haven't shot a lot recently. I always double plug!!! If you can't hear it it didn't happen.
I paid current USPSA president and 2011 3 Gun Nation Final 8 competitor Phil Strader $400 to teach me this drill in one of his pistol classes. Then he webt and gce it away for free on the Shooting Gallery Pro Tips. At the end or heck even the beginning (I just added the beginning part) of your training sessions load up a full mag and go rapid fire the entire thing straight into the berm at point blank range. Make sure your watching for the sights! If you're flinching or blinking you will miss seeing your sights during the first several shots fired. After that you will not be caught off guard be the loud firey end of the gun anymore and your natural tendency to blink for protection will subside. Then you will see what the rest of the guys are seeing while they shoot those seemingly impossible double taps into the A zone. |
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Posted: 4/12/2012 10:33:51 PM
thank you for all the advice, its great. I'm going to try this all out. I can call my shots for the first shot but if I do a double tap I cant see anything after th first shot. So my tim between shots for pistol is pretty bad. For rifle I'm great for some reason but for pistol I'm slow.
Thank you again I think this will help. What distance do most people try most pistol drills at? |
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LaRue556
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Posted: 5/20/2012 12:11:41 AM
I need to try double plugging again. Thanks.
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