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Taipan
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Posted: 11/21/2011 9:38:20 AM
How much of a handicap might an A1 AR buttstock be for multi-gun or tactical matches? Would it be really much worse than using an adjustable carbine stock?
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Posted: 11/21/2011 11:42:55 AM
Absolutely no drawback.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 1:12:44 PM
The different types of AR stocks all have differences in length, stability, and, adjustability.
Youll see all kinds of stocks out there; they are all used presumably because thats what fits that particular shooter the best. What works for you might suck for me. What stock can you shoulder the fastest and make accurate hits? Which stock do I use in order to acquire the proper eye position behind my scope? Which is going to handle the abuses of a long 3g season? Which stock's weight will balance my rifle properly and allow me to transition targets fast and without overswing?

The proofs in the pudding. if it works, Ill use it.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 2:50:30 PM
What he said ^^^
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Posted: 11/21/2011 2:54:16 PM
I use an A2 stock for multigun and have never noticed a problem. I like the cheekweld it gives me.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 9:44:08 PM
Originally Posted By alemonkey:
I use an A2 stock for multigun and have never noticed a problem. I like the cheekweld it gives me.


Same on my 18". Never slowed me down.

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Posted: 12/3/2011 8:23:01 PM
I actually use an A1 length Cavarms solid buttstock on my 3gun rifle. I went from carbine to A2 to A1 and settled there. I like the cheekweld, balance, and the soft shooting rifle buffer/gas system.
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Posted: 12/4/2011 2:00:58 AM
Thanks guys... I think I may go with the Cav Arms A1 then, seems like a simple enough and inexpensive experiment.
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Posted: 12/5/2011 2:27:54 PM
Originally Posted By Kelly-Neal:
Absolutely no drawback.





If the LOP is right for you... none whatsoever. I bought this M16A1 take off stock from Numrichs for $5 bucks before they jacked the price up on them.
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Posted: 12/5/2011 2:31:05 PM
Still available for $15.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=564720A&catid=13510


Non trapdoor. They have the trapdoor version available which simplifies adding weight for balance if that interests you.
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Posted: 12/6/2011 2:11:26 PM
I use an A1 length Vltor fixed stock. Better cheek weld than a collapsible and still has QD sling mounts.

Vltor has the standard A1 length on clearance still for $50 on their website. It mounts directly to a standard rifle length buffer tube.
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Posted: 12/24/2011 11:08:52 AM
The A1 didn't hold back our troops in Vietnam (the rifle and ammo was another thing). The younger crowd will probably ask where you got the new stock though because they probably have never seen one.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 11:41:19 PM


A1 stock is just fine.



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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:50:54 PM
I went from a Magpul M93 to an A1 when I rebuilt my AR specifically for 3 gun. I think a fixed is preferable to collapsible for this game if it fits you.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:50:45 PM
Assembling my dedicated 3 gun rifle now. It's got a minty fresh RRA A2 in back. Turns out the A2 length is about perfect for me shooting NTCH.

The question to ask is how often to you lengthen or shorten your stock? With my current rifle (RRA Midlength with a Magpul EMOD), the only times the stock gets adjusted is putting it in my too-small case, or when my wife wants to shoot it (that's only happened a couple times). If a fixed stock fits you, I don't really see a downside.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 7:30:17 AM
I've measured the LOP on an adjustable buttstock several times with my carbines and the LOP is always close to that of an A1.
I don't really change the LOP much after I get it where I want it.
With some of my carbines I like having the adjustable stock when I go to the range with several people or I am teaching someone to shoot because they can adjust it to what works for them.
However if I build the rifle I am planning then it will just be mine, I have other rifles for passing around at the range.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:40:04 PM
I switched from an A2 to an A1 stock. I just don't see the need for collapsible. If I were wearing armor then yes I imagine you would want a shorter LOP.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 10:46:17 AM
Where can you get an A1 assembly now?
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Posted: 2/11/2012 10:22:05 AM
As I mentioned, Cavarms makes/made a new production A1 length. It might be more expensive than a surplus A1 assy, but modern polymers are nice too.

Fulton arms also sells A1 assys.
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Posted: 4/27/2012 1:05:46 AM
as Jessie commented... the first year for Ft Benning a lot of NCOs were looking at equipment...I shoot a round buttpad A1, and a young E5 asked about it as he had never seen one...
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Posted: 4/27/2012 10:26:47 AM
After a 22 year hiatus from shooting 3 gun(I went the Texas State 3 gun match in 1990) I have the same stock for my 3 gun rifle, a Colt "CS" marked, A1 length fixed stock. Rember we were pulling these off and putting collapsible stocks on Colt Sporters Circa 1989-1994. I am shooting an Aimpoint M2 with a 4 minute dot. I tried every stock I have (LMT SOPMOD, RRA M4, Magpul ASC AND MOE) and none of them mounted faster, or pulled up the sight picture of my Aimpoint more squarely than the fixed A1 stock. It also seems to slide up the the should quicker due to the lack of bulged cheek peices and levers. So my vote is for an A1.
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Posted: 4/27/2012 12:39:16 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely be mounting one up on my new rifle I'll slowly collecting the parts for.