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gmill  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 11:52:44 AM EST
I have been selling magazines recently on the EE and some people from ban states
have asked if I will ship them to say NY or CA. I have responded no and have gotten
replies like: it's the buyers responsibility to comply with local laws, sellers can not be held liable.

What is the law with shipping magazines to ban states (30 Round mags)?

I really do not want to have to deal with any legal issues with ban states, so what do others do?

Thanks
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Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 12:00:59 PM EST
I can only speak to MD; however, it seem to me that 44Mag - a going concern, ships Repair kits:

http://www.44mag.com/product/6_8_magazine_25/cproducts

So in MD - as long as they are disassembled, I am GTG.

The replies that it's the buyer's business to know the laws is also correct; however, I wouldn't wanna get pulled into a NJ jurisdictional battle.

Ergo, I would ship then unassembled.

ETA:

http://www.44mag.com/product/high_capacity_magazine_repair_kits/

About High Capacity Magazine Repair Kits
There are currently no federal restrictions on the sale of high capacity magazines, but several states do have their own restrictions. High capacity magazines can be disassembled into repair kits for shipment to states with high capacity magazine bans. This allows customers to repair magazines that they already legally own. There is a per magazine service charge for disassembling a magazine into a repair kit. Simply check the convert to repair kit box when adding the magazine to you shopping cart.
A repair kit is a magazine that has been disassembled into parts and is to be used to rebuild a damaged magazine that the customer already legally owns. A repair kit normally consists of a magazine body, follower, spring, and floorplate. Exact contents will vary depending on type of magazine. It is important that these kits are only used to rebuild magazines that the customer already owns as any other use may be a violation of state law.

California Any magazine over 10 round capacity will be shipped as a repair kit.
New Jersey Any magazine over 15 round capacity will be shipped as a repair kit.
New York Any magazine over 10 round capacity manufactured after Sept 1994 will be shipped as a repair kit. (Note all magazines on 44MAG.com were produced after Sept 1994 unless specified.)
Maryland Any magazine over 20 round capacity will be shipped as a repair kit.
Massachusetts Any magazine over 10 round capacity will be shipped as a repair kit unless you provide a copy of state hi-cap license.
Hawaii Any handgun magazine over 10 round capacity will be shipped as a repair kit. Rifle magazines are ok.
Exceptions Complete high capacity magazines can be shipped to FFL dealers and law enforcement officers in these states with copy of FFL license or LEO ID.


The above chart lists all known state restrictions on the sale of high capacity magazines. 44Mag Distributing LLC has carefully compiled this list but does not make any guaranty to its completeness. It is the responsibility of the buyer to ascertain and obey all applicable local, state, and federal laws in regard to the possession, use, and sale of any item purchased from 44Mag Distributing LLC.
TacOpsllc  [Member]
2/2/2011 12:07:49 PM EST
My add has been stomped twice in mere hours about my refusal to ship to NY

While it appears my PRE BAN 30 rounders I have listed are legal in the STATE of NY, they are NOT legal in NYC, and thus the availability for them to be taken into NYC by a buyer who ships to his work address in NY state but actually lives in NYC would be illegal. The Mayor of NYC thinks he can dictate national gun laws, by holding press conferences on sales in other states and his objection of said sales.

Here is a good basis that I found for reference.

http://www.gunfiredeals.com/High_Capacity_Magazine_Restrictions_by_State_s/48.htm
gmill  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 4:13:56 PM EST
Thank you for all the info on this.

I put a disclaimer on my ad that I do not ship to ban states.
Maybe this will clear up the confusion.
Jetfuelburner  [Member]
2/2/2011 4:17:41 PM EST
Although I never had anyone stomp my ads...in the past, I only shipped a repair kit to one individual. I then had second thoughts and waited for the knock on the door that never came. From that time on, for my own peace of mind, I always stipulated that if you lived in a high cap mag ban state, move to another state or buy elsewhere. I don't have a legal team to defend me and my family.

Just stop them right back, you as the seller have the right to sell or not sell to whomever you damn well please. Pizz on them if they don't like it.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 5:08:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
My add has been stomped twice in mere hours about my refusal to ship to NY

While it appears my PRE BAN 30 rounders I have listed are legal in the STATE of NY, they are NOT legal in NYC, and thus the availability for them to be taken into NYC by a buyer who ships to his work address in NY state but actually lives in NYC would be illegal. The Mayor of NYC thinks he can dictate national gun laws, by holding press conferences on sales in other states and his objection of said sales.

Here is a good basis that I found for reference.

http://www.gunfiredeals.com/High_Capacity_Magazine_Restrictions_by_State_s/48.htm


Holy bleedin' Jesus son - WTF kinda logic is that? The City of NY has you doing their work for them.

Seriously - you could make the same damned strained logic shipping them to Alaska - I mean the guy could board a plane, stop in NYC, put the mags in his car and drive home

If 44Mag is sending rebuild kits, well - I was hoping you'd get the idea - but apparently not.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 5:09:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By gmill:
Thank you for all the info on this.

I put a disclaimer on my ad that I do not ship to ban states.
Maybe this will clear up the confusion.


I think it merely adds to the confusion. Like I said - if 44Mag ships rebuild kits, well then it's damned sure legal.

Congratulations gents - NY's overloards welcome you with open arms
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 5:25:44 PM EST
Stop with the personal attacks, Warning sent
gmill  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 5:37:03 PM EST
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 5:47:03 PM EST
Warning sent
gmill  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 6:02:42 PM EST
I have had people from Canada tell me it's ok to ship them 30 round magazines, Magpul CRT, and other stuff. You never know who is trying to entrap you.

The small guy who sells from time to time and does not do it for a living, does not want to deal with legal bs, I think that is what the other guy was really saying.

Saying a seller is a sheep for not wanting to sell to a ban state, that is a bit harsh, it is your decision to live under such oppression as it's our decision to sell to an oppressed state or not.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/2/2011 6:25:36 PM EST
crowboy  [Moderator]
2/3/2011 1:01:05 AM EST
Lets keep this civil Gentlemen.
TacOpsllc  [Member]
2/6/2011 2:51:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By gmill:
I have had people from Canada tell me it's ok to ship them 30 round magazines, Magpul CRT, and other stuff. You never know who is trying to entrap you.

The small guy who sells from time to time and does not do it for a living, does not want to deal with legal bs, I think that is what the other guy was really saying.

Saying a seller is a sheep for not wanting to sell to a ban state, that is a bit harsh, it is your decision to live under such oppression as it's our decision to sell to an oppressed state or not.


simply amazing....

ITAR stings occur everyday, I know of someone who was charged under ITAR who does PSD work and took his vest to the airport in baggage for an international flight, hes now a convicted felon as he didnt know doing so was a federal violation. As for the add stompers, they won in my situation, thus I simply withdrew the add for sale. I say if you want to be able to own a SBR/SUPPRESSOR/MACHINE GUN/AOW or even a 30 round magazine then you should move to a state that doesnt infringe on your 2nd amendment rights.
TacOpsllc  [Member]
2/6/2011 3:09:06 AM EST
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?


scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 9:10:03 AM EST
Just so I understand......

The magazine (preban) is LEGAL in the state of NY.
the magazine is ILLEGAL in the city of NYC

Because one city in an entire state bans it, you won't send it?

So if Miami said "No guns are allowed in Miami", you wouldn't sell a gun to someone who lives in Tallahassee?
scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 9:12:01 AM EST
[span style='font-weight: bold;']Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


You were awarded the Nation's 3rd highest decoration three times?
gmill  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 10:00:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
Just so I understand......

The magazine (preban) is LEGAL in the state of NY.
the magazine is ILLEGAL in the city of NYC

Because one city in an entire state bans it, you won't send it?

So if Miami said "No guns are allowed in Miami", you wouldn't sell a gun to someone who lives in Tallahassee?

I have no Pre-Ban mags, the guy wanted me to ship non-Pre ban mags to NY.
scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 10:13:24 AM EST
no, I should've been more clear. I'm talking to TacOps

edit...kinda hijacking your thread.
Garand_Shooter  [Dealer]
2/6/2011 5:08:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
[span style='font-weight: bold;']Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


You were awarded the Nation's 3rd highest decoration three times?


What he said....
FDC  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 5:12:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
[span style='font-weight: bold;']Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


You were awarded the Nation's 3rd highest decoration three times?


What he said....


hmmm...


Also interested in the OP as I'm a Mass Class A License holder.
0699TeufelHnd  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 8:49:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.


joshki  [Life Member]
2/6/2011 10:18:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.




What Master Guns said...
B-1BMRSP  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 2:36:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.




What Master Guns said...


I would like to know too.....
godsdaddy  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 2:45:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By B-1BMRSP:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.




What Master Guns said...


I would like to know too.....


This garners my interest as well.....
NUCdt04  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 2:47:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By godsdaddy:
Originally Posted By B-1BMRSP:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.




What Master Guns said...


I would like to know too.....


This garners my interest as well.....

I'm with them


so- what's up with the 3 SS's and a PH?

tenewel  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 3:07:34 AM EST
so- what's up with the 3 SS's and a PH?

Maybe it stands for 3 Super Snipers and a Parker-Hale...
Gatorhunt  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 3:42:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By tenewel:
so- what's up with the 3 SS's and a PH?

Maybe it stands for 3 Super Snipers and a Parker-Hale...


Payback99  [Life Member]
2/7/2011 6:27:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:

Originally Posted By godsdaddy:
Originally Posted By B-1BMRSP:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.




What Master Guns said...


I would like to know too.....


This garners my interest as well.....

I'm with them


so- what's up with the 3 SS's and a PH?



Allow me to be direct and to the point TacOpsllc, just in case you missed the other posts, let me be frank and ernest with you.......

I don't believe you are a 3 time Silver Star recipient (those are very rare), would you mind elaborating or perhaps providing some evidence to support this claim?
slabertooch  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 6:59:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Payback99:
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:

Originally Posted By godsdaddy:
Originally Posted By B-1BMRSP:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I understand the rebuild kit thing, but its a loophole that was offered to the ban states as a way to get the law passed and is intended to repair broken preban mags only. And it is nothing new, unmarked LEO mags were sold as parts kits for glocks during the federal ban which is why those mags never really saw a huge price jump other than on ebay back in the day. I think he is trying to say that prebans dont matter anymore, thus you simply buy the rebuild, slap it back together and hope you dont get caught? I wont conspire with anyone to sell something period.

3 SS and a PH later I like my guns...


Originally Posted By gmill:
I don't see where anyone admitted to breaking the law, unless you now say shipping a repair kit to a ban state is breaking the law or I missed someones law breaking statement?



Hijack: I'd like to hear about the 3 SS.




What Master Guns said...


I would like to know too.....


This garners my interest as well.....

I'm with them


so- what's up with the 3 SS's and a PH?



Allow me to be direct and to the point TacOpsllc, just in case you missed the other posts, let me be frank and ernest with you.......

I don't believe you are a 3 time Silver Star recipient (those are very rare), would you mind elaborating or perhaps providing some evidence to support this claim?

What the Sir said...

a little elaboration if you will.
SiVisPacem  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 8:38:29 AM EST
Is it just me, or did it get hot in here?

So, Heero, what gives with 3 Silver Stars?
82ND-ABN  [Site Staff]
2/7/2011 8:38:54 AM EST
Yes, please elaborate. We don't tolerate military posers on AR15.com. You can either explain yourself or your user account will be permanently closed.

You made the claim. Now back it up.

IM and email sent. Time's a ticking...
LTBeas  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 8:45:19 AM EST
Shit just got real.
82ND-ABN  [Site Staff]
2/7/2011 9:08:26 AM EST
I know you're reading this and I know you already read the IM I sent. You see, I'm site staff and I can tell what you're doing on the website.
Dog1  [Moderator]
2/7/2011 9:12:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By LTBeas:
Shit just got real.


Yep...I was about come in and lay a smackdown and I was beaten by a higher power...
TacOpsllc  [Member]
2/7/2011 9:22:53 AM EST
I sent you an IM:)
POW-MIAneverforget  [Life Member]
2/7/2011 9:23:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By SiVisPacem:
Is it just me, or did it get hot in here?

So, Heero, what gives with 3 Silver Stars?



Add me to the list of interested folks
82ND-ABN  [Site Staff]
2/7/2011 9:28:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I sent you an IM:)


I received the IM stating you have never received a Silver Star in the military and have already replied back.

TacOpsllc  [Member]
2/7/2011 9:57:43 AM EST
I wasn' even aware there was a huge flame war going on, had anyone asked I would have simply elaborated. 3 silver stars awarded nationally for Law enforcment, in response to being called a sheep by some dude trying to convince others to circumvent the law in ban states. I honestly would have expected more from my fellow veterans, especially those who are combat veterans. Regardless, for those who sided with the "sheep" guy, the law is the law.
doorgunner84  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 9:59:33 AM EST
Oooooops.
mattellis2  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 10:01:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I wasn' even aware there was a huge flame war going on, had anyone asked I would have simply elaborated. 3 silver stars awarded nationally for Law enforcment, in response to being called a sheep by some dude trying to convince others to circumvent the law in ban states. I honestly would have expected more from my fellow veterans, especially those who are combat veterans. Regardless, for those who sided with the "sheep" guy, the law is the law.




i have no idea what you're trying to say. what about the claim to a purple heart? i smell horse excrement.

2000Z3M  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 10:04:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By 82ND-ABN:
Yes, please elaborate. We don't tolerate military posers on AR15.com. You can either explain yourself or your user account will be permanently closed.

You made the claim. Now back it up.

IM and email sent. Time's a ticking...


Thank you
82ND-ABN  [Site Staff]
2/7/2011 10:04:09 AM EST
What a load of horse shit. Account locked.
Payback99  [Life Member]
2/7/2011 10:08:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By TacOpsllc:
I wasn' even aware there was a huge flame war going on, had anyone asked I would have simply elaborated. 3 silver stars awarded nationally for Law enforcment, in response to being called a sheep by some dude trying to convince others to circumvent the law in ban states. I honestly would have expected more from my fellow veterans, especially those who are combat veterans. Regardless, for those who sided with the "sheep" guy, the law is the law.


A claim of "3 SS's and a PH" by somebody with a screen name of "TacOpsllc" sounds to me like somebody who is former .MIL saying he was awarded the Silver Star 3 times and a Purple Heart.


Now you're firing off flares and saying you were awarded "3 silver stars nationally for Law enforcement"? Well, pardon my ignorance but, what the fuck is a "National Silver Star"? Are you now claiming to be Law Enforcement? Also, what DO YOU mean by PH? Obviously, you don't mean Purple Heart, or do you?


joshki  [Life Member]
2/7/2011 10:10:58 AM EST
Well, that account didn't last long.
Dog1  [Moderator]
2/7/2011 10:15:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By 82ND-ABN:
What a load of horse shit. Account locked.


82ND-ABN  [Site Staff]
2/7/2011 10:20:02 AM EST
Dog1, the thread is all yours. You can leave it open for comments or lock it down. It's your forum.
Gatorhunt  [Team Member]
2/7/2011 10:41:02 AM EST


Lets see we've had death by Mod and now death by posing ... what's next.
Dog1  [Moderator]
2/7/2011 10:49:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By 82ND-ABN:
Dog1, the thread is all yours. You can leave it open for comments or lock it down. It's your forum.


Thanks 82nd..you took out the trash...It's time to end this.
SYSTEM MESSAGE  
2/7/2011 10:49:50 AM EST
Show's over folks, nothing to see here, move along
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