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 M16 Fire Control group for sale!?!?!
BlackReefDesign  [Member]
10/18/2007 6:08:50 AM
Mind that I am uneducated about Select Fire M16's, but I came across an M16 Fire Control Group for sale online for $50?!!? Aren't these an NFA Item? Do you need a stamp to buy them? In in the online auction, there is no mention of proof of Tax stamp, or anything like that. Can it really be shipped to your door? I also saw awhile back that you can order full-auto bolt carrier assemblies, and they too can be shipped right to your doorstep. I don't think I would ever have the balls to attempt to order these parts, especially since I am in California, but how is this legal? Is it really that easy to convert an AR-15 to a select fire rifle? Is a FA Bolt Carrier and M16 Fire Control Group all that is needed to convert your AR to select fire? Doesn't an AR-15 Lower Receiver has some sort of block to stop you from doing this?

Can someone please educate me?
Thanks
KASS
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Dedeye  [Member]
10/18/2007 8:28:04 AM
The parts kit you refer to is just parts and not regulated (Federally, anyway) They won't just "plug into" an unmodified semi-auto receiver to produce a full-auto rifle, but someone with a milling machine and the right information could modify the receiver to install them fairly easily. That would be manufacturing a machine gun and would be illegal.

Posessing those parts alone isn't illegal. Posessing them and an AR15 is tap dancing closer to being illegal. Having them installed in an unmodified AR (as much as you can) would probably earn you a trip to Club Fed, and having them in a modified AR is a slam-dunk.

This is assuming, of course, that you aren't a licensed manufacturer.

In the specific situation you are asking about, it's perfectly legal for the seller to offer those parts for sale. A licensed manufacturer could legally use them, as could the owner of a registered receiver, so they are just merchandise. Whether it's legal for YOU to buy them is another question. It's just like the various chemicals that can be legally sold because they have legitimate uses. If YOU choose to use them to start your own meth lab, that's up to you. Any illegal act would be occurring after you bought them and used them to break the law.

The bottom line is that it's not at all difficult to turn a legal semi-auto into an illegal full-auto. The only thing that's stopping most people is that they are smart enough to know that messing up the rest of your life isn't worth it. If you want one badly enough, there are legal ways to go about it.
bullyforyou  [Member]
10/18/2007 8:48:25 AM



lots of folks buy M16 parts for all kinds of reasons. some people legally own an DIAS, which legally converts your AR15 into an M16, but you need the M16 FCG to do this.

other people will buy the M16 parts, modify them for semi-auto, and use them in their AR15's. i have an M16 hammer that i've removed the "spur" from to use in my 9mm AR (the "spurless" M16 hammer is the best for this application).

there are also people who have the apropriate licensure to make MG's. these people can buy them and use them legally also.


Scott-S6  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 9:14:33 AM
As has been said above, an M16 FCG and bolt carrier is not enough to make an MG.

If you tried to install these on your semi AR then you'd find that there's no-where to put the auto sear.

You would either need a third hole in the receiver (i.e. a registered MG receiver) or you'd need a DIAS (which is basically just an auto sear and a frame to hold it).
BlackReefDesign  [Member]
10/18/2007 4:30:05 PM
Ok, I understand now. Since I have basically been in the dark for a long time as far as know-how to convert an AR-15 (BTW, Let the record show that I don't even own an AR-15 anymore!!!) I have always wanted to know:

So Basically, if I ever did get my license I would have too:

Buy an M16 Fire Control Group w/ Auto SEAR
Buy an M16 Bolt Carrier with open end
And machine a hole directly above the safety selector at a certain location for the auto sear.

Again, this is just for informational purposes as I have always been curious, but does the above sound about right? That would give you a select-fire AR-15?

Thanks
KASS
BlackReefDesign  [Member]
10/18/2007 4:39:46 PM

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:


lots of folks buy M16 parts for all kinds of reasons. some people legally own an DIAS, which legally converts your AR15 into an M16, but you need the M16 FCG to do this.

other people will buy the M16 parts, modify them for semi-auto, and use them in their AR15's. i have an M16 hammer that i've removed the "spur" from to use in my 9mm AR (the "spurless" M16 hammer is the best for this application).

there are also people who have the apropriate licensure to make MG's. these people can buy them and use them legally also.




So are you saying that an M16 FCG will function identical to a AR15 Fire Control Group, without the SEAR? If somebody just wanted to fire semi-auto, what benefits would a M16 FCG have over an AR15?
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
10/18/2007 4:43:34 PM

Originally Posted By BlackReefDesign:
So Basically, if I ever did get my license I would have too:


And just to be clear, owning a machine gun does not require a licence.
Also, there have been no legal machine guns mfgd for civilian use since 1986, barring those manufactured for R/D purposes by a duly licensed SOT.
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10/18/2007 4:45:47 PM
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