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 What are the essential components to a SHTF chest rig?
godzillamax  [Member]
2/28/2009 10:16:54 AM
I currently own a TT 2-piece MAV body vest with the TT X-Harness and four single AR 30-round mag pouches (two on each side of the center buckles).



I have six AR mags I would want to carry plus six pistol mags. Figuring, one of each would be in the firearm, that leaves me needing to accommodate five AR mags and five pistol mags. I would wear my 1911 on my hip in my Serpa holster, and was thinking of wearing two pistol mags in a hip holster on the opposite side.

Here is what I was thinking of adding to my chest rig:


This leaves me still needing to find a home for one additional 30 round AR mag. Initially I was thinking of going with either a butt stock holder or a mag clamp to bind two mags together. The more I think about the pros and cons of each, I'm more inclined to simply go with one additional 30 round mag pouch on my chest rig (such as the TT MAV Center Adapter). Also, the more I think about having two additional pistol mags on my belt, the more inclined I am to ditch that idea and instead have all 5 pistol mags on my chest rig. The rationale for moving the pistol mags to the chest is two fold, first its just one less item I need to think about grabbing and equipping in a SHTF scenario, and two its one less item on my belt to catch on a jacket or vehicle shoulder/lap belt.

My questions:
1. Feedback on carrying pistol mags on my belt versus exclusively on the chest rig
2. Are there any other essential components/pouches that you deem a "must have" on your SHTF rig?

I don't envision a post-apocalyptic SHTF scenario with zombies...but potentially one where the economy and unemployment gets so bad that lawlessness, civil disobedience and anarchy become the norm and citizens are left to fend for themselves on their homestead as well as when venturing out to try and obtain goods/food. I live 20 miles outside a major city which means in a potential SHTF scenario there is an increased likelihood of roving bands of thugs/criminals from the inner city venturing out to the more affluent suburbs to rob, loot, rape and pillage since the typical law enforcement impediment that keeps them in their ghettos wouldn't be available due to the massive unemployment. My SHTF plan is to grab my wife, two kids, two dogs, firearms, basic supplies and my 4 x 4 truck and drive 400 miles to my in-laws farm where we have a better chance of surviving off the land via hunting, a garden, and mobility from our horses which we keep there. So for me, a SHTF chest rig is a grab and go thing since most my attention will be focused on getting my family on the move quickly if need be.

Looking forward to your feedback!

Thanks
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2/28/2009 11:59:33 AM
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mo4040  [Member]
2/28/2009 12:03:19 PM
Some sort of 'Blow-Out' kit (and a pouch to carry it in) should be the first thing that goes on there.
Dangler  [Team Member]
2/28/2009 12:19:48 PM
Ok, I'll play. Judeging by what you wrote, here is how I would handle it.


Add provsions for a camel back type bladder in the back for water also increased storage capicity for some surivial gear; emergency food stuffs (power bars) batteries, small flashlight, FM/AM radio and extra first aid items for the family. (I always carry mor eband-aids as I have a 8 year old boy) etc. Also, throw in a couple of those emergency foil blankets. They have so many uses, in my mind is a must have.. if you are really thinking SHTF, well, you may need to foot it to get to someone or somebody for a few days or when you get to in the inlwas, may have to patrol for awhile and once you are there, all this stuff sitting at home wont do you any good. And while the truck is a goo diea, cant 100% depend on it.

Also, I would be tempted to add some of dump pouches or loose ammo pouches to so you could quickly throw in more gear if you had to bail out hot. With family, might have to load up more water, food, ammo, maybe some cold/wet gear. Load for the occasion.

I have one of thos eloose ammo puches on the back of my PC and its held everything from extra mags, sandwhich, water bottles, first aid stuff, even trash and loose shotgun shells for a buddy. if you are going to have a "light weigth rig", as not a 4 day assult back pack, its nice to have the ability for flexible loading for the need. For me, it just folds and squishes flat if i sit long enough. The fold out dump pouches are nice as they will be low drag and out of the way when you dont need them.

Some thoughts..
sic_ness  [Member]
2/28/2009 12:35:29 PM
Originally Posted By Dangler:
Add provsions for a camel back type bladder in the back .... emergency food stuffs (power bars) batteries, small flashlight, FM/AM radio and extra first aid items for the family..... a couple of those emergency foil blankets.
... some of dump pouches or loose ammo pouches.... With family, might have to load up more water, food, ammo, maybe some cold/wet gear. Load for the occasion.


That is all good advice, but that's definitely some 3rd line type stuff there.
If the OP has time to buckle up a chest rig before hitting the road, eh has time to grab a backpack loaded with extended survival stuff.

For your fighting chest rig, just throw a water bladder on the back of your X-Harness, then add a medical pouch of some sort somewhere you can reach it with both hands. That's about all I'd want to carry on a chest rig. Maybe (big maybe) a pocket for extra batteries if you're running electronic optics and flashlight (the internal pockets of the MAV should work).
Edit: As to your pistol mags, keep them on your belt, since your pistol is on your belt as well. If you dump your chest rig you won't lose your pistol ammo too.

The rest (blankets, radios, etc) should go into a smaller-sized backpack. If you have to run out of the house so fast you can't put on a chest rig and a backpack, you're pretty much screwed anyway.
godzillamax  [Member]
2/28/2009 12:41:13 PM
Originally Posted By mo4040:
Some sort of 'Blow-Out' kit (and a pouch to carry it in) should be the first thing that goes on there.


Can you recommend any?
godzillamax  [Member]
2/28/2009 12:43:29 PM
Originally Posted By Dangler:
Also, I would be tempted to add some of dump pouches or loose ammo pouches to so you could quickly throw in more gear if you had to bail out hot.


Care to recommend any?
BB868  [Member]
2/28/2009 1:21:30 PM
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Originally Posted By mo4040:
Some sort of 'Blow-Out' kit (and a pouch to carry it in) should be the first thing that goes on there.


Can you recommend any?


read this
Let's talk med pouches - AR15.COM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=247358
jdkno  [Member]
2/28/2009 1:48:21 PM
You are running a 1911, they are single stacks.....so buy one double mag pouch that is made for double stack mags and taa daaa, you get 4 mags on your belt oposite of your gun. Get yourself an Eagle drop leg holster that holds a mag on the holster, 1 in the gun, 4 on the belt, you now have 6.

How are you worried about things getting cought on a jacket, or a seatbelt?? Do you think something on your belt will catch but the chest rig won't?? Not only that but you also have a holster hanging from the belt and a rifle. A Mag pouch on my belt would be the last thing I would be worried about catching. Not only that but for one a jacket should be under not over your chest rig, and second why would you worry about the seatbelt anyways?

As for forgetting to grab something or moving the pistol mags to the vest to limit what you have to grab...well if the mag pouches are attached to the belt, and the pistol is attached to the belt, if you forget the belt you will also forget the pistol so that problem pretty much solves itself.

If it were me, I would add some kind of hydration bladde to what you have, get a dedicated belt something like this

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=53

Put your molle mag pouch on one side, attach your drop leg holster to the other side and be done with it. You could also attach your leatherman to it if you must. If you want to carry 6 AR mags, get rid of two of your singles and turn them into doubles, that would be 4, 1 in the gun, that makes 5, and keep one of the singles, now you are at 6. By removing one of the singles you now have more room for a med kit.

Also with that belt you could easily add some form of dump pouch to sit right behind your hip bone on your weak side.

NCPatrolAR  [Team Member]
2/28/2009 1:51:03 PM
To get the most bang for your buck when it comes to carrying 1911 mags on a rig; go with the Emdom 3o2/604 pouches.
calicojack  [Member]
2/28/2009 2:41:58 PM
the 6o4 is the shiz. i have two of them on my rig. going to condense down to one though.
eggrolly  [Member]
2/28/2009 2:42:02 PM
common sense
godzillamax  [Member]
2/28/2009 5:14:33 PM
Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
To get the most bang for your buck when it comes to carrying 1911 mags on a rig; go with the Emdom 3o2/604 pouches.


Have a link to where I can get those?
calicojack  [Member]
2/28/2009 5:18:04 PM
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Mike_from_Texas  [Member]
2/28/2009 6:05:24 PM
Does anyone make a decent chest rig for under $100?

I've seen the UTG and Condor rigs but am unsure of their quality. I would prefer American made if possible and not some China junk.
mo4040  [Member]
2/28/2009 7:52:22 PM
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Originally Posted By mo4040:
Some sort of 'Blow-Out' kit (and a pouch to carry it in) should be the first thing that goes on there.


Can you recommend any?


TRG V.O.K. listed here:

Ventilated Operator Kit

tweeter  [Team Member]
2/28/2009 9:37:30 PM
Originally Posted By Mike_from_Texas:
Does anyone make a decent chest rig for under $100?

I've seen the UTG and Condor rigs but am unsure of their quality. I would prefer American made if possible and not some China junk.



Tactical Tailor Mini MAV.

Good kit. Around $45.
Mike_from_Texas  [Member]
2/28/2009 10:46:52 PM
OOOOPS! I meant vest, not chest rig. Sorry.

Thanks for the suggestions.
TakeDown  [Member]
3/1/2009 2:36:21 AM
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
To get the most bang for your buck when it comes to carrying 1911 mags on a rig; go with the Emdom 3o2/604 pouches.


Have a link to where I can get those?


you can get them directly from Emdom's website.

Jacketch  [Team Member]
3/1/2009 5:38:59 AM
Originally Posted By Mike_from_Texas:
Does anyone make a decent chest rig for under $100?

I've seen the UTG and Condor rigs but am unsure of their quality. I would prefer American made if possible and not some China junk.


SKD/Eagle Universal Chest Rig $79

xmikex  [Team Member]
3/1/2009 7:32:08 AM
essential components?

1) 4-6 rifle mags
2) Gunshot wound / trauma kit (no band-aids, no chapstick - just stuff to deal with trauma)
3) Body Armor
4) 2 Pistol mags
5) Smoke grenade

My philosophy is that I'll have at least my pistol and a spare mag on me already (g19 - 15 rounds per mag). (ETA: My G19 has a TLR-1 and I daily carry a surefire as well as a knife). If SHTF, I'm putting on body armor. If I have a rifle, I'm going to be using that and the pistol is MUCH less important and will be used in the event of a malfunction (transition) or if I've run out of all my rifle ammo.
The smoke grenade can be used to signal, screen my movements, clear buildings, burn out vehicles, etc. Especially useful if it's just you or just a few people in your group.

If you get into a "last stand" type rig or a mounted patrol rig or a long range walking patrol type rig, you're looking at different missions / different setups. My ideas above are based on general SHTF - stay low-profile, lightweight, rig easily covered by a baggy jacket and a rifle in a low-profile bag.


good times...

GLOCKshooter  [Team Member]
3/1/2009 7:56:58 AM
Flashlight.
BB868  [Member]
3/1/2009 12:19:12 PM
Originally Posted By TakeDown:
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
To get the most bang for your buck when it comes to carrying 1911 mags on a rig; go with the Emdom 3o2/604 pouches.


Have a link to where I can get those?


you can get them directly from Emdom's website.



http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/emdomusa/Categories?category=Ammunition+Pouch
protus  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 7:05:42 PM
but potentially one where the economy and unemployment gets so bad that lawlessness, civil disobedience and anarchy become the norm and citizens are left to fend for themselves on their homestead as well as when venturing out to try and obtain goods/food. I live 20 miles outside a major city which means in a potential SHTF scenario there is an increased likelihood of roving bands of thugs/criminals from the inner city venturing out to the more affluent suburbs to rob, loot, rape and pillage since the typical law enforcement impediment that keeps them in their ghettos wouldn't be available due to the massive unemployment. My SHTF plan is to grab my wife, two kids, two dogs, firearms, basic supplies and my 4 x 4 truck and drive 400 miles to my in-laws farm where we have a better chance of surviving off the land via hunting, a garden, and mobility from our horses which we keep there. So for me, a SHTF chest rig is a grab and go thing since most my attention will be focused on getting my family on the move quickly if need be
.


how do you stand on h20 and food. gear wont feed you. and yes i know..your scared to ask this in the SF here.

2nd on the gear/
whatyou have is fine.

youll want

6-7 mags
a FAK
a BOK
drop 5 pistol mags.. carry 2 spares thats it.
a good fixed blade knife
flashlight
food
some way to hold,filter and treat h20
shelter
gloves

thats bare bones imho for any "shtf".

sorry....i sometimes feel many just wear shit cuz its looks cool, and shtf y our gonna be and could be on foot, so your gonna need to keep your weight down ,cuz with wife/kid your gonnabe humping a ruck to keep momma happy and kid fed.... YMMV

Harv24  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 9:35:08 PM
Ammo
water.... that's it...

everything else is extra
Darkstar117  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 9:44:00 PM
Here is my WooSatch A-type.

Front:


Tactical Tailor 3-mag panel (2)
Tactical Tailor Single Mag Pouch (2)
HSGI Single Pistol Mag Pouch (5)
HSGI Mini Modular Radio/ Utility Pouch
Blue Force Gear Tourniquet Now! Strap
HSGI Bleeder Pouch
Maxpedition Rollypolly
Maxpedition Volta


Back:


HSGI Hydration Carrier
Practical Tactical Sapper Pouch
Tactical Tailor 75 Series Hard Case
Tactical Tailor Modular Tear Away Panel
Spec-Ops Gear Large Medical Pouch
Emdom Strobe Pouch
DallasLooterShooter  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 9:48:27 PM
I'd go with:

8 AR mags
3-4 pistol mags (use a pistol mag pouch for your multi-tool)
first aid kit
hydration carrier
MAYBE a dump pouch.


Don't overthink it.
DallasLooterShooter  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 9:51:11 PM
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By Mike_from_Texas:
Does anyone make a decent chest rig for under $100?

I've seen the UTG and Condor rigs but am unsure of their quality. I would prefer American made if possible and not some China junk.



Tactical Tailor Mini MAV.

Good kit. Around $45.


This:

Eli822  [Member]
3/2/2009 9:52:51 PM
Another vote for just Ammo, maybe some water...too much stuff you are going to get weighted down. I have a SKD/Universal Chest Rig.
jtb0311  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 5:52:05 AM
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
I don't envision a post-apocalyptic SHTF scenario with zombies...but potentially one where the economy and unemployment gets so bad that lawlessness, civil disobedience and anarchy become the norm and citizens are left to fend for themselves on their homestead as well as when venturing out to try and obtain goods/food. I live 20 miles outside a major city which means in a potential SHTF scenario there is an increased likelihood of roving bands of thugs/criminals from the inner city venturing out to the more affluent suburbs to rob, loot, rape and pillage since the typical law enforcement impediment that keeps them in their ghettos wouldn't be available due to the massive unemployment. My SHTF plan is to grab my wife, two kids, two dogs, firearms, basic supplies and my 4 x 4 truck and drive 400 miles to my in-laws farm where we have a better chance of surviving off the land via hunting, a garden, and mobility from our horses which we keep there. So for me, a SHTF chest rig is a grab and go thing since most my attention will be focused on getting my family on the move quickly if need be.

Looking forward to your feedback!

Thanks


If society decays the way you describe, what will actually change for people in the "ghetto"? They are already unemployed, and are already far more likely than the general population to engage in lawless behavior (against each other). I wonder if they'd even realize that society collapsed...

I think you should fortify your house, maybe build a bunker, and start a neighborhood militia. Get some radios and run 24/7 security patrols. Why should you and your neighbors be chased off your property?
cpekz  [Member]
3/3/2009 9:39:59 PM
For your second line - ammo and a good first aid kit are all you really need.

ETA water as well, i.e. a Camelbak.