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the1000z  [Team Member]
1/8/2010 10:34:27 PM EST
what exactly is the difference between the "federal champion bulk (blue box)" and the "federal bulk (red box)"?

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D_CRISIS  [Member]
1/8/2010 11:30:48 PM EST
what caliber?

if you're talking about .22lr the blue box has 25 less rounds
the1000z  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 3:00:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By D_CRISIS:
what caliber?

if you're talking about .22lr the blue box has 25 less rounds


yeah the .22lr... I get that it has 25 less rounds but other than the round count is there a difference? I have a federal ammo book and the red box isn't even in the book...

is there a powder change? projectile change? brass held to a tighter tolerance? whats the difference between them?
D_CRISIS  [Member]
1/9/2010 7:47:33 AM EST
the main difference is locally I've been getting the 525 for on average $10 less than walmart's federal 550 bulk

$10 for 25 .22lr rounds ain't worth it

I have not noticed a difference shooting them

and now that I'm home and looking at both boxes

both high velocity 36 grain, copper plated hollow points
1260 fps muzzle velocity125 foot pounds at muzzle
-5.6" rate of drop at 100 yards
the rounds look the same as well

so I don't think they are different at all except round count box color and probably price
Soup-Nazi  [Member]
1/9/2010 8:42:51 AM EST
My blue boxs (525 rounds, load 745) says Champion on the bottom front and lists MV as 1280 FPS.
My red boxs (550 rounds, load 750) says .22 value pack on the bottom front and lists MV as 1260 FPS.

RedBlueLitez  [Member]
1/9/2010 9:01:33 AM EST
Out of curiosity, where are you getting the blue bulk packs? I've been having issues being able to find the red bulk packs at Wally World (which now even have less rounds in them) and would love to have another source.
pepperbelly  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 10:21:35 AM EST
A lot of us at my range shoot both in matches. Even in bullseye pistol we can't tell any practical difference in accuracy. Buy whichever is cheaper.

Jim
D_CRISIS  [Member]
1/9/2010 5:01:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Soup-Nazi:
My blue boxs (525 rounds, load 745) says Champion on the bottom front and lists MV as 1280 FPS.
My red boxs (550 rounds, load 750) says .22 value pack on the bottom front and lists MV as 1260 FPS.



I may have mistook an 8 for a 6 I'll look later
docmcb  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 6:45:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By D_CRISIS:
the main difference is locally I've been getting the 525 for on average $10 less than walmart's federal 550 bulk

$10 for 25 .22lr rounds ain't worth it

I just got 6 boxes of the red box Federal bulk pack 550 rounds at Walmart for $15.47 each, their current normal price.

Are you telling us that you get the blue 525 round box somewhere for $5.47?

Do tell where I can get that deal!
prikev  [Member]
1/9/2010 7:46:27 PM EST
so is all the Federal Bulk hp? or is there some in sp, Im only seeing hp locally here.
the1000z  [Team Member]
1/10/2010 12:38:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By docmcb:
Are you telling us that you get the blue 525 round box somewhere for $5.47?

Do tell where I can get that deal!


this........ I want some deal like this... I just got 10 boxes of blue 525 for $22 a box... first stuff I have seen in the last 15 months...
D_CRISIS  [Member]
1/10/2010 2:48:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By docmcb:

Originally Posted By D_CRISIS:
the main difference is locally I've been getting the 525 for on average $10 less than walmart's federal 550 bulk

$10 for 25 .22lr rounds ain't worth it

I just got 6 boxes of the red box Federal bulk pack 550 rounds at Walmart for $15.47 each, their current normal price.

Are you telling us that you get the blue 525 round box somewhere for $5.47?

Do tell where I can get that deal!


dude I want to go to your walmart

here the red box is like $35 and i got a blue box yesterday for $20.65 and my local gun store

if i could find 525 rounds of 22lr for $5 to run my conversion kits...i wouldn't be sharing the secret

ps i doubled checked my boxes and the red and blue say 1260 fps at the muzzle
L0CK_N_L0AD  [Member]
1/10/2010 11:07:50 AM EST
I just bought another 4 boxes of the Red Bulk at Walmart here for $15.97, the Blue are $13.97 IIRC. I also would like to know where the $10 cheaper blue bulks are, unless the reds there are overpriced...?

The red bulk Fed .22 HPs work in all my .22s, rifles and pistols so thats the only stuff that I buy. I have 20+ boxes now and I will continue to stock up on it when its available.
rippersde50  [Team Member]
1/10/2010 11:43:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By the1000z:
Originally Posted By D_CRISIS:
what caliber?

if you're talking about .22lr the blue box has 25 less rounds


yeah the .22lr... I get that it has 25 less rounds but other than the round count is there a difference? I have a federal ammo book and the red box isn't even in the book...

is there a powder change? projectile change? brass held to a tighter tolerance? whats the difference between them?


I had both at one time and the only thing I can say for sure is the projectile is a slightly different shape. They both shot just as crappy(accuracy wise) out of my 1/9 twist RRA barrel.
rippersde50  [Team Member]
1/10/2010 11:45:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By RedBlueLitez:
Out of curiosity, where are you getting the blue bulk packs? I've been having issues being able to find the red bulk packs at Wally World (which now even have less rounds in them) and would love to have another source.


Natchez had some a decent price last week. Well, I just found it. It's a good price if you buy 10(one case)

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA745&src=tpSlrHm
M4bangr  [Team Member]
1/10/2010 11:46:44 AM EST
I wonder if if the blue box is the normal packaging and the red box is special packaging for Walmart.
ThePatriot556  [Member]
1/10/2010 4:53:46 PM EST
The blue box is a tad bit hotter I do believe. I have shot tons of both, and my .22 Glock conversion will short stroke 1-2 rounds per magazine with the red box, but runs perfectly with the blue box. Not sure if its the 20fps difference, bullet profile or what, but the Ceiner runs better on the blue box.
cckw  [Team Member]
1/10/2010 5:01:51 PM EST
I thought the blue was HP and the red solid...? This is the case on what I have
rippersde50  [Team Member]
1/10/2010 5:20:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By cckw:
I thought the blue was HP and the red solid...? This is the case on what I have


The red 550 round packs? I haven't seen solid points in the ones I've had.
SMPrider112  [Member]
1/10/2010 8:46:01 PM EST
just dont buy the white boxed fed 325 pack walmart sells...that stuff is GARBAGE!! I get about 1 in 8 rounds thats loaded too light to cycle my .22 AR15. Plus the bullet is a 38 or 40 gr plain lead solid....not like the other 36 gr plated HP.
Makarov  [Member]
1/11/2010 3:44:00 AM EST
I have shot a ton of each. The Blue box sports a 40gr. bullet and I find it is much more consistant and thus generally more accurate. The WM 550 box is good plinking ammo but will not impress anybody with accuracy. I shoot a lot of the WM550BP for fun and shoot the Fed blue box when I need a little more accuracy but don't want to pay for match grade ammo.
pepperbelly  [Team Member]
1/11/2010 1:37:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Makarov:
I have shot a ton of each. The Blue box sports a 40gr. bullet and I find it is much more consistant and thus generally more accurate. The WM 550 box is good plinking ammo but will not impress anybody with accuracy. I shoot a lot of the WM550BP for fun and shoot the Fed blue box when I need a little more accuracy but don't want to pay for match grade ammo.


The Federal bulk isn't match grade, but a few of us use it in matches. In fact I shot my best score in NRA Bullseye pistol with it. The rinfire course of a 2700 course is 30 rounds slow fire in 10 round stages at 50 yards, offhand- single hand, then 30 rounds timed fire at 25 yards and finally 30 rounds rapid fire at 25 yards- all single hand off-hand. My best score was 835 out of a possible 900 using the Federal bulk stuff. I have also used Winchester Super-X and other stuff that I just tried, but so far, for some reason, I do just as well with the cheap stuff.
I use it through a Ruger MkII frame with a Volquartsen upper, tuned trigger, etc. etc.
I have also not been able to find any real difference between the red and blue box Federal bulk.

YMMV,
Jim
SUPERSPORT  [Team Member]
2/2/2010 5:47:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4bangr:
I wonder if if the blue box is the normal packaging and the red box is special packaging for Walmart.


I'm sure that's what it is. I'd also bet the red box stuff is substandard also to meet Walmarts price requirements.

I've had my .22 conversion going on 2 years and haven't found the bulk packs in my area. The price tag has went up like 3 times in the last 2 years on an empty freaking shelf.

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