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 Explain why the "Restricted for Law Enforcement" roll mark is in high demand?
chuckles84  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 7:25:30 PM
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?
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TK5  [Member]
12/4/2012 7:30:17 PM
It doesn't seem there is anything to it other than the reason you stated.
TaylorWSO  [Life Member]
12/4/2012 7:32:57 PM
people are stupid?
Mike_Anthony  [Member]
12/4/2012 7:37:52 PM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


For the same reason that some people put 40 pounds of tacti-cool gear on their rifles, or become obsessed with color schemes.....the "cool" factor.
mak0  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 7:39:16 PM
Spikes will laser engrave it for you on any of their lowers for $5
chuckles84  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 7:42:01 PM
Originally Posted By mak0:
Spikes will laser engrave it for you on any of their lowers for $5




basp2005  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 7:42:37 PM
It's the hipster doofus of lowers, people like it cause it's ironic.

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chuckles84  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 7:46:21 PM
Originally Posted By basp2005:
It's the hipster doofus of lowers, people like it cause it's ironic.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


I guess that makes sense, lol. Seems though, that it would hurt many of them if they ended up doing some kind of non-grand fathered in gun ban, right?
mercdank  [Member]
12/4/2012 8:05:24 PM
People want it because it is an uncommon feature.
I honestly like it, I think it is cool to have my gun marked as restricted, even if it means nothing.
timmay123  [Member]
12/4/2012 8:21:53 PM
the reason why they are selling for so much is because there are a lot of fools out there. Just like all the fools that think they HAVE to have a M16 carrier rather than an ar15 carrier just for the cool factor, and are paying over $200 for them......ya, theyll try and say its because the little extra weight makes it better, but the only reason is for the "coolness" factor.

I like Colt but Id never fall victim to the scammers trying to prey on the egos of the tactiqueerness
45ProCarry  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 8:22:18 PM
They aren't made anymore. Things that aren't made anymore sometimes command higher pricer for them.
jBoy723  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 8:24:08 PM
The biggest factor, IMO, is the fact that they are not being manufactured with the restricted roll marks any more and some view this as a feature that "may" add value down the road. Just my point of view.

ETA: 45Pro beat me to it.
boarklr  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 8:35:07 PM
Because it pleases them and it feeds enthusiasm for their hobby for one reason or another.

Why do I own two AK's that I don't even shoot anymore? Heck, I don't know, but I'm not willing to part with them because it makes me happy to know they're in the safe.
Progun1911  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 8:41:38 PM
When I bought my 6920 it was the only way it came.
MSPRet  [Member]
12/4/2012 8:44:16 PM
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
people are stupid?



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Will816  [Member]
12/4/2012 8:54:48 PM
There's nothing stupid about it, its simply a collector's item. It's like somebody collecting anything else out there. Take, for example, coin collecting. The collectible coins can't actually do anything better than a non collectible coin, but people will pay much more than face value (sometimes as much as thousands and thousands of dollars for something that's worth less than a dollar at face value). It's just a collecter's item and there's nothing stupid about it. No one is expecting it to do anything better than a non-restricted gun.
Fairplay  [Member]
12/4/2012 8:56:34 PM
Everyone knows it will take three seconds off your time
on all rifle stages.
Dana1972  [Member]
12/4/2012 8:57:19 PM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


Same reason why Glock and HK couldn't give away their FDE and OD guns until they discontinued them and now everyone is paying top dollar to get them.
toolboxluis00100  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 9:00:19 PM
$100 if you want one
Fuzzy-Reticle  [Member]
12/4/2012 9:09:34 PM
Holy shit! You mean it does not make me a better shooter? Damn! The guy at the LGS lied.
chuckles84  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 9:31:47 PM
Originally Posted By Dana1972:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


Same reason why Glock and HK couldn't give away their FDE and OD guns until they discontinued them and now everyone is paying top dollar to get them.


Very true...it just sucks that most of the "cool" later Colt models have this wretched roll mark on them. I should just be thankful I'm not in a ban state!

jollyroger1969  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 9:40:49 PM
Ever see that picture of Johnny Cash flipping the camera off while he's playing the guitar? Everytime I, a lowly civilian hold my AR with that on it, I feel like that's what I'm trying to say to the gun grabbers and certain political parties, but then I repeat myself.

I wouldn't pay a lot more for it, but there you go.
Shadow_Grey  [Member]
12/4/2012 10:31:20 PM
Personally, I like mine with these markings...and I don't mean the ones on the EOTech...

DeluxeSupreme  [Member]
12/4/2012 10:32:41 PM
I like those rollmarks on my 6920, but I paid a normal price on it back in 2008. Not worth the extra price going for these days. I can live without them but at least one of my rifles have the rollmark.
Mike_Anthony  [Member]
12/4/2012 10:37:13 PM
Originally Posted By Shadow_Grey:
Personally, I like mine with these markings...and I don't mean the ones on the EOTech...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/Shadow_Grey/guns/0042.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/Shadow_Grey/guns/003-1.jpg


Very nice lower. Is that an original ********** , or a second generation *******-****?
SinistralRifleman  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 10:38:06 PM
Relics of a by-gone era.
Desert_AIP  [Team Member]
12/4/2012 10:40:31 PM
Because it's a big "Fuck You" to the man.
Shadow_Grey  [Member]
12/4/2012 10:44:26 PM
Originally Posted By Mike_Anthony:
Originally Posted By Shadow_Grey:
Personally, I like mine with these markings...and I don't mean the ones on the EOTech...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/Shadow_Grey/guns/0042.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/Shadow_Grey/guns/003-1.jpg


Very nice lower. Is that an original ********** , or a second generation *******-****?


Original 0%ers with 0 markings...Our family made one each for personal use.
LIL-COMMANDO  [Member]
12/5/2012 12:49:43 AM
Colt is not producing these markings anymore so it you can get it for a decent price its nice to have. Earlier this year I did get a Colt 6940 with the LEO markings and it was only1249.00

762minigun2  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 1:07:46 AM
Cause Colt collectors are paying for it.

AZ_ARFANATIC  [Member]
12/5/2012 1:10:21 AM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


It's probably the same reason why people "pose" all their tacti-cool gadgets in one picture ie. their two handguns, knife, flashlight, and a crappy rifle. Simply stupid reasons that's why. See link below...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4426754868_1d182f32d3.jpg
p-joseph  [Member]
12/5/2012 1:36:49 AM
Mostly it's "gear queers" packing it a mile high in the rear that are buying these roll marks, clearly not your Walmart types.
packinheavy  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 1:47:34 AM
I think of it as a reminder of what was and what we have to make sure never happens again.

RobNC  [Member]
12/5/2012 12:58:29 PM
Hey I got one, even has the much desired .169 trigger pin holes and a SSA trigger....S/N 53XXX so it's one of the last of the big holes...gotta be worth more.

I'll trade anyone this lower for a current production 6920 or 6720 rifle, and I will include the original trigger group, A2 grip, and trigger guard for a M4 Carbine rollmark. That's cheaper than the $1400 I saw on the EE for the same lower.

IM or email if interested.





It's bad enought that a complete Colt lower will go for $500-600 when a new rifle goes for $960-1050 depending on where you live. I just don't get it.

YMMV,
Rob
Augee  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 2:52:21 PM
It's not.

Those that are selling them are attempting to create the appearance of demand and collectibility - as if every LE6520, 6721, 6450, 6920, 6921, 6933, and 6940 produced between 1994 and 2004 did not have these markings.

Collectibility is based, yes, on production - but it's also based on numerical population - the number of "RESTRICTED" marked Colts in civilian hands and on the civilian market still far outstrips the number not bearing those markings - and Colt is still producing limited runs of "LE Marked" rifles these days to cater to Law Enforcement agencies that prefer the markings, as well as civilians that do.

If I hadn't beaten the crap out of/and or spray painted all of my "RESTRICTED" marked lowers - I would happily trade them, no cost, to someone who wanted one for a modern production lower. Or not... worrying about the markings seem somewhat silly to me - and hell, even I have my favorites.

Maybe, just maybe, if there were two sitting next to each other, identical in every way, but with different rollmarks - depending on my mood, you could maybe, just maybe get me to pay an extra $50 for the one with the "cooler" rollmark. And maybe, just maybe, if I was out contemplating spending money that I probably shouldn't be spending anyways, an undesirable rollmark might remind me - really, you should be paying rent with this money, not buying another lower...

Granted - to some, fine, factory configured rifles of a certain type may be important - for me, who's only going to buy a complete Colt to immediately start parting it out to get the parts I want and dump the ones I don't - it's not a big deal.

Anyone who buys into the hype and demand - is buying into the hype and artificial demand.

There are more "RESTRICTED" marked Colts out there by a longshot than non-marked ones, and to say that they're collectible and rare - at this point, seems utterly foolish to me - especially since they're still in limited production.

Just IMHO, though.

~Augee
MotorcycleGoat  [Member]
12/5/2012 3:08:34 PM
To each their own... I believe calling folks that desire these pieces (and willing to pay a premium for them) "fools" or "stupid" is rude and uncalled for. Each person is entitled to their own desires and can build their rifles how they want. Just because you wouldn't do it the same way, doesn't make them a fool or stupid. But, it does make you sound like your nose is a little too far in the air.

My opinion... it has to do with exclusivity or bragging rights.
Augee  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 3:35:43 PM
Originally Posted By MotorcycleGoat:
To each their own... I believe calling folks that desire these pieces (and willing to pay a premium for them) "fools" or "stupid" is rude and uncalled for. Each person is entitled to their own desires and can build their rifles how they want. Just because you wouldn't do it the same way, doesn't make them a fool or stupid. But, it does make you sound like your nose is a little too far in the air.

My opinion... it has to do with exclusivity or bragging rights.


Not sure if you're talking about my post or not - but my sentiment that it's "foolish" has nothing to do with the desire - it has to do with the vast numerical superiority of "RESTRICTED" marked Colt rifles available versus non-marked ones.

It's all good and well and great in my opinion if you just "want" a "RESTRICTED" marked lower.

What's foolish, in my opinion, is being convinced by vendors out to make a buck off of the misinformed that buying the more common by a long shot, and currently still in production version is somehow worth more money.

For serious - if anyone really wants a "RESTRICTED" marked lower that bad - I will trade them, no premium, no muss no fuss, any of my "RESTRICTED" marked lowers for a current production one - because I'm indifferent - and like most other people - if it costs me nothing, but will make someone else happy - I'm more than willing to do it.

You're not foolish for preferring one over the other - you're foolish for overpaying - by 20% or more - for the more common model.

~Augee
arjohnson  [Member]
12/5/2012 7:12:11 PM
I have one from LMT, what's it worth.

wreckdiver  [Member]
12/5/2012 8:10:38 PM
Originally Posted By Progun1911:
When I bought my 6920 it was the only way it came.



This.
hotbiggun42  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 8:24:38 PM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


I don't understand your indignation. How does this effect you?
PSI  [Member]
12/5/2012 8:46:29 PM
I bought my 6721 from a LEO friend during the ban. He got it at LE pricing, zeroed it and put in a case in the trunk of his squad. Three months later his department purchased rifles. He sold it to me for his cost. It was something stupid like $600. I couldn't give two shits about its markings.

Think I could turn a profit on it? :)
chuckles84  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 10:23:59 PM
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


I don't understand your indignation. How does this effect you?


It doesn't really effect me at all. Just bothers me one someone tarnishes the EE with a $1400 6920 lower and because I can't put a "what the f*** is your f******* problem man" as a reply to his ad, I'd just vent here like a good ARFcom user. I know he won't probably get that amount, but for goodness sake, have some dignity man!
wildearp  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 10:26:55 PM
Tell me when it is PEAK LE COLT. I will dump mine and put some cash down on a Larue.
Scorch05  [Member]
12/5/2012 11:02:40 PM
My RRA "U.S. Property" marked lower is my favorite lower. Not because of the roll mark though...It was my first AR build not to mention it was stolen and then found a couple years later by a NCIC check.
hotbiggun42  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 11:04:39 PM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


I don't understand your indignation. How does this effect you?


It doesn't really effect me at all. Just bothers me one someone tarnishes the EE with a $1400 6920 lower and because I can't put a "what the f*** is your f******* problem man" as a reply to his ad, I'd just vent here like a good ARFcom user. I know he won't probably get that amount, but for goodness sake, have some dignity man!


$1400 really?
chuckles84  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 11:12:31 PM
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


I don't understand your indignation. How does this effect you?


It doesn't really effect me at all. Just bothers me one someone tarnishes the EE with a $1400 6920 lower and because I can't put a "what the f*** is your f******* problem man" as a reply to his ad, I'd just vent here like a good ARFcom user. I know he won't probably get that amount, but for goodness sake, have some dignity man!



$1400 really?


6920 lower for sale in the EE

Mike_Anthony  [Member]
12/5/2012 11:22:43 PM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


I don't understand your indignation. How does this effect you?


It doesn't really effect me at all. Just bothers me one someone tarnishes the EE with a $1400 6920 lower and because I can't put a "what the f*** is your f******* problem man" as a reply to his ad, I'd just vent here like a good ARFcom user. I know he won't probably get that amount, but for goodness sake, have some dignity man!



$1400 really?


6920 lower for sale in the EE



I could see paying that price if it had a 14K gold FCG, including platinum detent springs, but not because it says "restricted" on it.
wolverine05  [Team Member]
12/5/2012 11:23:03 PM
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By chuckles84:
Besides the fact it's not used anymore....

I find people asking more and more money for these and more and more people looking for these. Some prices higher than the nicest Pre-Bans...

Why?


I don't understand your indignation. How does this effect you?


It doesn't really effect me at all. Just bothers me one someone tarnishes the EE with a $1400 6920 lower and because I can't put a "what the f*** is your f******* problem man" as a reply to his ad, I'd just vent here like a good ARFcom user. I know he won't probably get that amount, but for goodness sake, have some dignity man!



$1400 really?


6920 lower for sale in the EE



If he can get somone to pay him $1,400 for it, then more power to him. Just because he's asking that much, doesn't mean he'll find a buyer.

If folks start paying that much for a LE marked lower, I will be promptly listing mine for sale!
RobNC  [Member]
12/5/2012 11:28:18 PM
You beat me to it. I called him out in the ad and he sent a BS email about "collectors item".

I will quote Spec3 from his ad:
"BTT- Guys, this is the right price. Allow me to explain.

The rifles you see at your local shops are the current versions of the LE6920 which are not the ones with the lowers marked as "Restricted". They are essentially the same as before, without the cosmetic change. Smart buyers will buy this and save some money. Costs may slowly creep up as panic buying sets in due to Obama "noise" regarding a new AW ban and the proposed US acceptance of the UN gun ban treaty. The "restricted" version of the LE6920 used to sell for about $1300, more or less. In my case, I bought an original version with the restricted rollmarks (which are no longer made), and sold the upper for $600. I was saving the lower, box, etc. as an investment, knowing that supplies will diminish and Colt collectors will want this option. Given that the rifle has appreciated due to availability and thanks to Obama, a complete "restricted" rifle will bring in about $1500-$1600 currently. Given that I sold the upper for $600, I should expect about $1000 for the lower. Logical! However, I know that Colt collectors are hungry right now, and I am in no hurry, so I bumped it from $1000 to $1400 after the election. I know it is high, but supplies are going quickly here in my home state of Illinois, and people are buying at a rate similar to 2008. I am by no means stuck with the $1400 price, but I am seeing if there is interest. Right or wrong, this is my logic."

I really hope no one pays that price or believes his BS.

Rob
arjohnson  [Member]
12/6/2012 12:15:39 AM
So if these Restricted lowers are worth all that then maybe I should sell my NIB FDE 6920 for 3K, after all there are alot less of these around.

Vespid_Wasp  [Member]
12/6/2012 11:36:12 AM
Originally Posted By timmay123:
the reason why they are selling for so much is because there are a lot of fools out there. Just like all the fools that think they HAVE to have a M16 carrier rather than an ar15 carrier just for the cool factor, and are paying over $200 for them......ya, theyll try and say its because the little extra weight makes it better, but the only reason is for the "coolness" factor.

I like Colt but Id never fall victim to the scammers trying to prey on the egos of the tactiqueerness



Wait... people are paying over $200 for an M16 carrier? I better get mine listed.
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