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 Since Colt lost the military contract, who has it now?
wmccann  [Member]
6/16/2011 5:34:52 AM EST
I read Colt lost the military contract they had with the Army, who was it awarded to?
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hottnucks  [Member]
6/16/2011 5:37:46 AM EST
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jollyroger1969  [Member]
6/16/2011 5:41:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By hottnucks:
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Liar! You know it was Vulcan/Hesse that got it. After all, they make machine guns for the special forces
CHUCKW  [Member]
6/16/2011 5:54:45 AM EST
I think FN has the contract.
CAC01  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 5:55:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By wmccann:
I read Colt lost the military contract they had with the Army, who was it awarded to?


Read where? We need the link... and make it hot!
Praetor  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 5:59:03 AM EST
+1 on that - I'd like to know too. Sources please!
bcw107  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 6:16:25 AM EST
Which contract?
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 6:34:44 AM EST
They didn't. They no longer are the sole source provider of M4 carbines, but they haven't lost the contract. The government owns the TDP though.
ArmedPete  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 6:38:16 AM EST
Oh, so in before the storm.
CAC01  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 6:39:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
They didn't. They no longer are the sole source provider of M4 carbines, but they haven't lost the contract. The government owns the TDP though.


They aren't? Who else is building M4's for the military?
cmeyer001  [Member]
6/16/2011 6:56:50 AM EST
Most accurate discussion of the state of things with regards to the M4

most important part is as follows :

As of July 1, 2009, the sole-source clause of the “M4 Addendum” expired. The Army now has the right to use the M4 TDP to second source production, as an extension of the 1967 licensing agreement for the M16. Until the end of calender year 2037, the Army will have to pay 5% in royalties to Colt for every M4 procured from second sources.

The TDP remains Colt proprietary data, and any second source M4 contractor will be required to sign non-disclosure agreements just as they do for the M16. The non-disclosure/non-use agreements for accessing the TDP will forbid the other companies from using Colt’s proprietary data for commercial sales. Once their military contract ends, the company will be required to be destroy all of the TDP information provided to them.

The following link provides the US Army’s standard non-disclosure/non-use agreement for contractors accessing the M16 TDP:

https://aais.ria.army.mil/AAIS/Solinfo/Standard_Attachments/Colt-M16_Non_Disclosure_Agreement.doc

And some more information on what this all may mean

And media coverage

ARdvark  [Member]
6/16/2011 6:58:57 AM EST



budget problems and all
CAC01  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 7:10:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By cmeyer001:
Most accurate discussion of the state of things with regards to the M4

most important part is as follows :

As of July 1, 2009, the sole-source clause of the “M4 Addendum” expired. The Army now has the right to use the M4 TDP to second source production, as an extension of the 1967 licensing agreement for the M16. Until the end of calender year 2037, the Army will have to pay 5% in royalties to Colt for every M4 procured from second sources.

The TDP remains Colt proprietary data, and any second source M4 contractor will be required to sign non-disclosure agreements just as they do for the M16. The non-disclosure/non-use agreements for accessing the TDP will forbid the other companies from using Colt’s proprietary data for commercial sales. Once their military contract ends, the company will be required to be destroy all of the TDP information provided to them.

The following link provides the US Army’s standard non-disclosure/non-use agreement for contractors accessing the M16 TDP:

https://aais.ria.army.mil/AAIS/Solinfo/Standard_Attachments/Colt-M16_Non_Disclosure_Agreement.doc

And some more information on what this all may mean

And media coverage



You really were not supposed to help. This thread was being set up to be a lesson learned for the OP. I was going to be the first one to take the wood to him. Hopefully he will go away quietly...
bluezerosix  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 7:24:35 AM EST
In surprised that someone hasn't posted "The Chart" yet...
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 7:28:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By CAC01:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
They didn't. They no longer are the sole source provider of M4 carbines, but they haven't lost the contract. The government owns the TDP though.


They aren't? Who else is building M4's for the military?


Apparently I was wrong about government ownership of the TDP. Colt still has the contract though.
WI57  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 7:46:00 AM EST
Old news.

And IBTL/Move to GD.

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Foxnews_FTW  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 8:04:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By WI57:
Old news.

And IBTL/Move to GD.

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This looked like a legit tech forum question to me? I could be wrong
bdawg998  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 8:16:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
Originally Posted By WI57:
Old news.

And IBTL/Move to GD.

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This looked like a legit tech forum question to me? I could be wrong


There are lots of questions that get asked here that should fall under AR Discussions, that even get site staff responses, that get locked or moved.

ETA: I give you the Bushmaster reborn topic a few spaces down that was moved to GD. It is a discussion about AR weapons but it was moved.
jcrowl  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 12:00:08 PM EST
Think they'll still be producing M4s in 2037?
pun  [Member]
6/16/2011 12:23:27 PM EST
2037 hell we should have 40watt range pulse rifles by then
bjkb1f  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 12:29:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By hottnucks:
RRA


Must be, they are the same as Colt in quality and performance - at least according to one member here.

sinlessorrow  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 12:38:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By bjkb1f:
Originally Posted By hottnucks:
RRA


Must be, they are the same as Colt in quality and performance - at least according to one member here.



CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 1:45:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By cmeyer001:
Most accurate discussion of the state of things with regards to the M4

most important part is as follows :

As of July 1, 2009, the sole-source clause of the “M4 Addendum” expired. The Army now has the right to use the M4 TDP to second source production, as an extension of the 1967 licensing agreement for the M16. Until the end of calender year 2037, the Army will have to pay 5% in royalties to Colt for every M4 procured from second sources.

The TDP remains Colt proprietary data, and any second source M4 contractor will be required to sign non-disclosure agreements just as they do for the M16. The non-disclosure/non-use agreements for accessing the TDP will forbid the other companies from using Colt’s proprietary data for commercial sales. Once their military contract ends, the company will be required to be destroy all of the TDP information provided to them.

The following link provides the US Army’s standard non-disclosure/non-use agreement for contractors accessing the M16 TDP:

https://aais.ria.army.mil/AAIS/Solinfo/Standard_Attachments/Colt-M16_Non_Disclosure_Agreement.doc

And some more information on what this all may mean

And media coverage



I see you have this one handled.
CJan_NH  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 3:07:44 PM EST
Indeed he does

Oh well, I was kind of looking forward to the anti-Colt hyperbole. You know, how Colt has to start paying attention to the civilian enthusiast again and all of that nonsense (as if to imply they were ignoring them).

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458winmag  [Team Member]
6/16/2011 4:20:20 PM EST
Considering the amount of post's asking: What should I buy..What barrel twist for a .. .556 work in .223... What scope should I buy... Who makes a...I want s SBR..Painting my....on and on...
Seem's like a reasonable question.

As long as members don't direct the poster to the correct forum, and reply instead of report.
SYSTEM MESSAGE  
6/16/2011 4:47:35 PM EST
Pre-emptive strike, or we don't need to do this again.
WILSON  [Site Staff]
6/16/2011 5:04:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By ARdvark:


budget problems and all







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