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iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 1:37:14 PM EST
I don't have this item but it is near the top of my list to purchase. I own one of their electricity operated models and it's very convenient, but I know I can't count on electricity in an extended crisis. Distillers are important for my preps because the well water in my area is yucky and honestly harmful to drink over the long term. This is not a backpacking item, it's a car camping or survival retreat item. You can use electric heat, wood stove, or open flame. Distilling water that is dripped through a charcoal filter (waterwise sells them) is the best method for purifying water available to the consumer.



http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/1600.asp?idaffiliate=46



Just mentioning this now because you can get a "like new" (must be factory recertified) 1600 for $299 by using promo code SCL. It's about a 90 dollar savings over a factory new model.
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okent  [Member]
3/14/2013 2:13:22 PM EST
Check out the reviews on Amazon.com before you buy.
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 2:23:09 PM EST
I think the issues are mainly due to non-level surfaces. It needs to be level to work right. So, add some shims and a bubble level to your preps too lol
mylt1  [Team Member]
3/14/2013 2:36:37 PM EST
i can do the same thing with a stainless steel pot i already have along with some Al foil and some tubing. that is a LOT less than the price tag on that thing.
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 2:40:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By mylt1:
i can do the same thing with a stainless steel pot i already have along with some Al foil and some tubing. that is a LOT less than the price tag on that thing.


I'm sure you could rig up something that resembles a distiller, but to find out how effective it is you'd have to A. actually build it vs just talking about it B. have it lab tested for water purity against the waterwise. I'd say the likelihood of both happening is slim to none.

southfloridaguns  [Member]
3/14/2013 5:41:01 PM EST
just buy a milk jug shine still for $200 and run the water through a carbon filter.


you can then make shine between the water runs.
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 6:10:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
just buy a milk jug shine still for $200 and run the water through a carbon filter.


you can then make shine between the water runs.


Now this isn't a bad idea. Cars either can run on ethanol or be adapted to run, booze is great as a preservative/sterilizing agent and for trade. Still would like to compare the amount of energy put in to boiling vs water yield and purity though, vs a commercially engineered unit.

mylt1  [Team Member]
3/14/2013 6:38:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By iwillsurvive:
Originally Posted By mylt1:
i can do the same thing with a stainless steel pot i already have along with some Al foil and some tubing. that is a LOT less than the price tag on that thing.


I'm sure you could rig up something that resembles a distiller, but to find out how effective it is you'd have to A. actually build it vs just talking about it B. have it lab tested for water purity against the waterwise. I'd say the likelihood of both happening is slim to none.



distilled water is distilled water. take the temp to just above 212* and it will work just fine. no fancy contraption needed.
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 7:11:00 PM EST
A good distiller lets some of the vaporized toxins waft away. Not all impurities remain in the pot. And an inefficient still wastes heat and perhaps water yield. So there are bad stills and there are good stills. The only way to know is to run tests like energy put in, water purity before, after, and yield. In a pinch a makeshift still is gonna increase purity, but why not buy well engineered products while they are available? We can make a crude gun from hardware store parts but a1911, glock or ar15 are a better choice while we can buy them. The same reasoning applies to a lot of goods.
mylt1  [Team Member]
3/14/2013 8:39:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By iwillsurvive:
A good distiller lets some of the vaporized toxins waft away. Not all impurities remain in the pot. And an inefficient still wastes heat and perhaps water yield. So there are bad stills and there are good stills. The only way to know is to run tests like energy put in, water purity before, after, and yield. In a pinch a makeshift still is gonna increase purity, but why not buy well engineered products while they are available? We can make a crude gun from hardware store parts but a1911, glock or ar15 are a better choice while we can buy them. The same reasoning applies to a lot of goods.


you are distilling water not "mash". a simple pin hole in the AL foil will allow any VOC's with a boiling point below that of water to escape. Les Stroud did a pretty good video on this in one of his shows.
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 8:56:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By mylt1:
Originally Posted By iwillsurvive:
A good distiller lets some of the vaporized toxins waft away. Not all impurities remain in the pot. And an inefficient still wastes heat and perhaps water yield. So there are bad stills and there are good stills. The only way to know is to run tests like energy put in, water purity before, after, and yield. In a pinch a makeshift still is gonna increase purity, but why not buy well engineered products while they are available? We can make a crude gun from hardware store parts but a1911, glock or ar15 are a better choice while we can buy them. The same reasoning applies to a lot of goods.


you are distilling water not "mash". a simple pin hole in the AL foil will allow any VOC's with a boiling point below that of water to escape. Les Stroud did a pretty good video on this in one of his shows.


Is les stroud a chemist/engineer? Are you? Regardless of that, Has he done the tests and the math that prove your claims? Have you? I'm quite sure the answer is no. Talk is cheap, people make many claims of what they can do, a lot fewer actually do it, and even less do any sort of testing for energy efficiency and quality. What you are stating as facts are 100% unsubstantiated claims, and worth exactly what it costs to read them. But hey if your product is that good, sell it. Sounds like you could undercut waterwise by a nice margin and take over the multimillion dollar water distiller market
KeepShooting  [Team Member]
3/14/2013 9:46:41 PM EST
Will a pressure canner not work great?
mylt1  [Team Member]
3/14/2013 9:48:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By iwillsurvive:
Originally Posted By mylt1:
Originally Posted By iwillsurvive:
A good distiller lets some of the vaporized toxins waft away. Not all impurities remain in the pot. And an inefficient still wastes heat and perhaps water yield. So there are bad stills and there are good stills. The only way to know is to run tests like energy put in, water purity before, after, and yield. In a pinch a makeshift still is gonna increase purity, but why not buy well engineered products while they are available? We can make a crude gun from hardware store parts but a1911, glock or ar15 are a better choice while we can buy them. The same reasoning applies to a lot of goods.


you are distilling water not "mash". a simple pin hole in the AL foil will allow any VOC's with a boiling point below that of water to escape. Les Stroud did a pretty good video on this in one of his shows.


Is les stroud a chemist/engineer? Are you? Regardless of that, Has he done the tests and the math that prove your claims? Have you? I'm quite sure the answer is no. Talk is cheap, people make many claims of what they can do, a lot fewer actually do it, and even less do any sort of testing for energy efficiency and quality. What you are stating as facts are 100% unsubstantiated claims, and worth exactly what it costs to read them. But hey if your product is that good, sell it. Sounds like you could undercut waterwise by a nice margin and take over the multimillion dollar water distiller market


you really arent making friends by acting like the nOOb you are. 5 mins with google and you can find all the answers you could ever want. those answers would tell you that this distiller you are raving about, THAT YOU DONT EVEN OWN form your own admission, you say you one a different "electric" model, is a waste of money. it actually comes off as if you are trying to pimp them IE a seller of them. some of us have more than 2 months of experience with things like this and share our experiences. as a matter of fact, if your well water is "yucky" a RO filter would do you way better than having to distill 3.2qts in 1.2 hours. a real filter will filter more water in less time and remove everything that is harmful to a human. i can tell you for a FACT that little chart they put out that you have posted is 100% WRONG because RO does in fact remove viruses and also removes bacteria. matter of fact a RO system also removes nitrates as well. maybe you should check your cheap talk as well as your 100% facts cause they seem to not be 100%.

just to add, a RO filters down to 0.0001 microns. there are NO viruses nor bacteria that are harmful to humans that are anywhere near that small.
mylt1  [Team Member]
3/14/2013 9:52:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
Will a pressure canner not work great?


yes, it will do the same thing. if you have one of the old weight style versions you could build a hose that fits on the port and have that drain down to your container. of course, a simple filter will do just as good and faster than distilling. the only time i would use a distiller is to remove salt form water. IE you live on the coast with no other means of a water source.
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/14/2013 10:08:53 PM EST
Noob on these forums perhaps. But a noob familiar with the scientific method, nonetheless...

The tests that need to be done to prove or disprove your claims are the same ones that might be done by an organization like Consumer Reports. Such as:

A. How durable is your tinfoil press? Can it be moved around safely without damage? How long can it be used without fuss/hassle/maintenance?
B. How much energy does it require to produce a certain amount of purified water, and how fast does it do it?
C. How does it handle extremely contaminated water, what are the lab results for contaminants before and after distillation.
D. How do the answers to these questions compare with other similar products?

I've seen reviews complaining about this specific product, and I've seen others that say it simply must be on a level surface to work. Knowing the level of intelligence of most internet users, I am quicker to believe in user error than failed products.

Regarding RO, you have no clue what you are talking about. RO is a horrible method for dealing with highly polluted water, the filter clogs quickly, speed and quality decreases rapidly. I know, because I've tried them. And what are we gonna do in a crisis situation where we are out of filters and can't get more? From a prepping and water quality standpoint distillers are better in nearly every way imaginable.

The credibility Waterwise has is that they are an industry leader in the area of commercial distillers. You are not. Les Stroud is not. Trust me when I tell you they employed people with advanced degrees in science and engineering when they made their product blueprints. If they say their distiller purifies water to 99+% purity, running on a certain amount of energy and yielding a certain amount per hour, it does exactly that, or the gov't gets on their back and so do their competitors. So yeah, I think they have a little more credibility than some internet commando who scares fire, and who makes world beating distillers out of tubing and tin foil. I will believe that you are a master at using tin foil for making hats, however

In response to keepshooter, a pressure canner with some tubing rigged on would have these differences to the Waterwise unit. It would not vent VOC (volatile organic compounds) and anything that vaporizes before water does, and these contaminants would all be sent into your water collection area, diminishing purity. Also, that is a closed system, meaning you must finish the batch, shut everything down, add water, close the lid and start another batch. The waterwise unit allows for continuous distillation, you can keep adding smaller amounts of water without shutting down the process, and distill continuously until you have the number of purified gallons you want. You can distill the same amount with a closed pressure kettle but you'd have to do it a batch at a time. So it's a slightly different process.

Originally Posted By mylt1:
Originally Posted By KeepShooting:
Will a pressure canner not work great?


yes, it will do the same thing. if you have one of the old weight style versions you could build a hose that fits on the port and have that drain down to your container. of course, a simple filter will do just as good and faster than distilling. the only time i would use a distiller is to remove salt form water. IE you live on the coast with no other means of a water source.


56M4Valhalla  [Member]
3/15/2013 1:59:31 AM EST
Man, are you a water wise stock holder?

There are many methods to distill or purify water. And none of them are right or wrong. Why get all up in arms over it? Your water wise distiller is cool. And thanks for the savings find.

All these other guys are trying to say is there are alternative methods that do not cost 300 bucks. If you like the product use it, but this is a knowledge repository, and they are placing more.
bgenlvtex  [Team Member]
3/15/2013 2:20:13 AM EST
Shill.
LOMartin  [Team Member]
3/15/2013 3:59:03 AM EST
iwillsurvive  [Member]
3/15/2013 7:28:32 AM EST
They are placing hearsay, nothing more. If this was a court of law and I presented data spec sheets and testimony from engineers from Waterwise, or any distiller company, and presented it as evidence of the products effectiveness, it would be allowed. If the tin foil crowd came up and said they saw a youtube vid that said some tubing, tin foil and a pin hole to release VOCs was just as good, that testimony would be stricken from the record as hearsay, because they are not expert witnesses, have no credibility, and have no tests or data to back up their claims.

This may be a shock to some, but something like this is not up to a popularity vote on the ar15 survival forums. The tin foil still either works great as a product, or it does not. There are scientific ways to measure these things, either the tin foil still works as good as a commercial disitller, or it does not, and whether you or every single person on this board thinks it does work as well, if the data does not support that claim, then it does not work as well. Welcome to Western civilization.

I don't own the product. If I was a shill for the company I'd say I own it and it's fantastic, buy one. I do, however, have more confidence in their products than the type of distiller you might see built by Mr. Wizard and his child assistant on a kid's tv program. I know silly claims and internet BS when I read it, and have a low tolerance for such nonsense.

Originally Posted By 56M4Valhalla:
Man, are you a water wise stock holder?

There are many methods to distill or purify water. And none of them are right or wrong. Why get all up in arms over it? Your water wise distiller is cool. And thanks for the savings find.

All these other guys are trying to say is there are alternative methods that do not cost 300 bucks. If you like the product use it, but this is a knowledge repository, and they are placing more.


NickOfTime  [Member]
3/15/2013 3:35:53 PM EST
Wow. The technical forums are finally converting to GD format. Sad days...
SYSTEM  
3/15/2013 3:51:09 PM EST
This one is done.
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