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Sauce  [Member]
5/4/2010 2:13:00 PM
I am thinking about giving some friends of mine some introductory pistol safety instruction and think some photos of accidental gunshot wounds could be very instructive. I know I've seen a bunch of these posted in various "I shot myself" threads and am hoping someone has already gathered and saved for handy distribution.

Thanks,

Sauce
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Oakley  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 2:15:21 PM
Why does it have to be accidental? A gunshot wound is the same if you did it or someone else. Your friends will never know.
Spearweasel  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 2:16:19 PM
Originally Posted By Oakley:
Why does it have to be accidental? A gunshot wound is the same if you did it or someone else. Your friends will never know.


Accidental wounds are a different color, duh.


Sauce  [Member]
5/4/2010 2:17:06 PM
I find a certain strength in the pictures and stories from guys who "thought it was unloaded" etc. and put a round through their hand or leg.
Silesius  [Member]
5/4/2010 2:18:25 PM
I remember a thread a while back where a member shot himself in the thigh.

Lots of blood.
Oakley  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 2:19:36 PM
Someone else had there friend shoot them also...If I remember correctly he got an air ambulance ride to the hospital.
SigSauerNY  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 2:20:07 PM
theres always google......
thermocafe  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 2:28:24 PM
Originally Posted By Oakley:
Why does it have to be accidental? A gunshot wound is the same if you did it or someone else. Your friends will never know.


That was my exact first thought.

Check out some forensics textbooks; some universities with pathology residencies may have online photo sources too.
Sauce  [Member]
5/4/2010 2:30:01 PM
Stupid GD, making me do stuff I wanted it to do ....

Here's the thread where the guy's buddy shot him in the arm with a gun he thought was unloaded:
Thread

That's all a quick Google search turns up.
Sauce  [Member]
5/4/2010 2:31:37 PM
Originally Posted By thermocafe:
Originally Posted By Oakley:
Why does it have to be accidental? A gunshot wound is the same if you did it or someone else. Your friends will never know.


That was my exact first thought.

Check out some forensics textbooks; some universities with pathology residencies may have online photo sources too.


I think accidental gunshots are more instructive because everyone knows that bad things happen when you intend to shoot someone. It's the idea that people who think they are skilled still accidentally shoot themselves or friends that will help them to be more careful.
koorva  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 2:57:28 PM
oops
Lovelessk999  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 3:07:31 PM

Originally Posted By Sauce:
Stupid GD, making me do stuff I wanted it to do ....

Here's the thread where the guy's buddy shot him in the arm with a gun he thought was unloaded:
Thread

That's all a quick Google search turns up.

That one was worth a read to due to the costs incurred.
lee_h  [Member]
5/4/2010 3:12:47 PM
I'm in a picture posting mood so, here you go.

.40 caliber
My right leg.





IronMedic  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 3:14:50 PM
tag for the wife
Scrap5000  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 3:42:36 PM
That buffed right out, right?
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 3:44:25 PM
Originally Posted By Oakley:
Someone else had there friend shoot them also...If I remember correctly he got an air ambulance ride to the hospital.


Hey, I didn't HAVE him shoot me... He kind of made that decision on his own!
















There ya go, hope they help.
MP15T  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 3:44:34 PM
Tag for late.

I think I have some saved on my laptop at home.

marcushire  [Member]
5/4/2010 3:51:02 PM


Story? Self inflicted?
SharpCharge  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 10:52:16 PM
Holy shit!
sirostac  [Life Member]
5/4/2010 10:56:21 PM
http://negligentdischarge.com/
Damon  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 10:56:21 PM
oww. That must hurt. someone remind me never to shoot myself
Prime  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 11:06:18 PM

I have a picture that I've heard was a ND from an M60, which is supported by the downward angle of the path of the bullet through the leg.

But it has balls in it.

Forgetfull  [Team Member]
5/4/2010 11:32:55 PM

Originally Posted By Prime:

I have a picture that I've heard was a ND from an M60, which is supported by the downward angle of the path of the bullet through the leg.

But it has balls in it.


God forbid. Dood thing medics and doctors just close there eyes when someone's neked.
lee_h  [Member]
5/5/2010 2:05:34 AM

Originally Posted By marcushire:


Story? Self inflicted?

Just got off work so, I'm a little late. It was not self inflicted. It was dumbass friend inflicted. He wasn't paying complete attention to what he was doing and at some point placed a loaded magazine in his pistol. A few minutes later he decided to "dry" fire to make sure he had reassembled everything correctly and I just happened to be walking by. It was less than pleasant.

Considering how skinny I am (6'5, 170 lbs), I'm amazed how little damage was done. Other than the obvious holes, I only had a hairline fracture on the fibula.

Yeah, it eventually buffed out.

I don't think the bullet even started to deform passing through my leg. All the damage to it came from hitting a wall.


Lunitar  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 2:10:41 AM

Originally Posted By sirostac:
http://negligentdischarge.com/

I hope that guy lives a good healthy life, I went through all of his updates and once he finally gets mobile his wife dies.

I can only wish him the best with admitting his own mistake and moving on with it, damn it I hate doing to sleep after reading depressing stories like that, I will have dreams of my inlaws now.
Alohakid  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 2:13:22 AM
Damn
tesla120  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 2:32:54 AM

Originally Posted By lee_h:

Originally Posted By marcushire:


Story? Self inflicted?

Just got off work so, I'm a little late. It was not self inflicted. It was dumbass friend inflicted. He wasn't paying complete attention to what he was doing and at some point placed a loaded magazine in his pistol. A few minutes later he decided to "dry" fire to make sure he had reassembled everything correctly and I just happened to be walking by. It was less than pleasant.

Considering how skinny I am (6'5, 170 lbs), I'm amazed how little damage was done. Other than the obvious holes, I only had a hairline fracture on the fibula.

Yeah, it eventually buffed out.

I don't think the bullet even started to deform passing through my leg. All the damage to it came from hitting a wall.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/lee_h15/Picture051.jpg

looks like ball ammo, a testament as to why it is important to carry expanding ammo.


ETA: disregard, not sure.
ViaDolorosa  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 2:34:28 AM
Oh you need pics?? BRB I'm loading the 44 mag...
Snowleopard  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 2:47:41 AM
This book, the PRACTICAL HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION: TACTICS PROCEDURES AND FORENSIC TECHNIQUES by Geberth has some 'wonderful' gun shot pictures. The one I have in mind was about a guy who committed suicide by firing a high powered rifle under his chin. You talk about pizza!

The book is rather expensive, my copy in the last century cost me around $80-90......but you might be able to find it in a university library.

Equally, as I looked into this topic a little further, I found this forensic journal source with "wonderful" pictures in various articles.....maybe what you want is in there somewhere (potential heads up: I'm on university computers right now and I may be able to see this because of that priv).
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wiley07  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 2:56:34 AM
Originally Posted By Oakley:
Someone else had there friend shoot them also...If I remember correctly he got an air ambulance ride to the hospital.


Airbourne AmberLamps
TX_Beer_Cop  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 9:55:22 AM
Not nearly as bad as some others have have shared. Smarted a little, but it did not hit bones or anything important. It did bleed like crazy for a couple of days.

Photo at ER:


...about a week later:





bcochran  [Member]
5/5/2010 10:03:51 AM
Photos don't help.

Showing photos of gory car accidents in driver's training doesn't make a person a better driver either.

Lecturing doesn't help.

Here is one thing that makes a person a safer shooter - it is called monkey see/monkey do and it is one on one.

1. you tell the person to do everything that you do.
2. you pick up the pistol and put it in a safe direction. you put it down and have the student pick it up and point it in a safe direction.
3. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, and then drop the magazine. You then have the student do it.
4. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, drop the magazine and open the slide. Then you have the student do it.

You are having the student go through the process of making his weapon safe. You teach through the point of loading and unloading. Monkey see/monkey do ingrains a procedure of making safe in the student.

Before the wack jobs post that a revolver doesn't have a slide, the point is that you teach a procedure on a one on one basis. It builds confidence and skills as well.
zuuk  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 11:22:54 AM

Originally Posted By bcochran:
Photos don't help.

Showing photos of gory car accidents in driver's training doesn't make a person a better driver either.

Lecturing doesn't help.

Here is one thing that makes a person a safer shooter - it is called monkey see/monkey do and it is one on one.

1. you tell the person to do everything that you do.
2. you pick up the pistol and put it in a safe direction. you put it down and have the student pick it up and point it in a safe direction.
3. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, and then drop the magazine. You then have the student do it.
4. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, drop the magazine and open the slide. Then you have the student do it.

You are having the student go through the process of making his weapon safe. You teach through the point of loading and unloading. Monkey see/monkey do ingrains a procedure of making safe in the student.

Before the wack jobs post that a revolver doesn't have a slide, the point is that you teach a procedure on a one on one basis. It builds confidence and skills as well.

I think this guys nails it.

Trying to scare them into safety with gorey pictures is more likely to make them... well... afraid, not necessarily safe.
Sauce  [Member]
5/5/2010 11:48:22 AM
Originally Posted By bcochran:
Photos don't help.

Showing photos of gory car accidents in driver's training doesn't make a person a better driver either.

Lecturing doesn't help.

Here is one thing that makes a person a safer shooter - it is called monkey see/monkey do and it is one on one.

1. you tell the person to do everything that you do.
2. you pick up the pistol and put it in a safe direction. you put it down and have the student pick it up and point it in a safe direction.
3. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, and then drop the magazine. You then have the student do it.
4. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, drop the magazine and open the slide. Then you have the student do it.

You are having the student go through the process of making his weapon safe. You teach through the point of loading and unloading. Monkey see/monkey do ingrains a procedure of making safe in the student.



I agree, though I think what really helps is having someone watching you for the first hour you are handling a pistol and pointing out every time you point it somewhere you shouldn't. I think many people just don't have awareness of where the muzzle is pointing and being reminded a bunch early on helps build good awareness.

I wasn't looking so much for gory pictures as pictures that remind you that people can and do accidentally shoot themselves and others. I actually feel like the post-op stitches pictures and stories are the best at remind you of the long term consequences of getting lazy with gun safety.

Thanks for the links and pictures.
Giltweasel  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 11:53:20 AM
http://www.giltweasel.com/pics/DisasterDuro/

There's one I know personally.
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 7:23:09 PM
Originally Posted By Sauce:
Originally Posted By bcochran:
Photos don't help.

Showing photos of gory car accidents in driver's training doesn't make a person a better driver either.

Lecturing doesn't help.

Here is one thing that makes a person a safer shooter - it is called monkey see/monkey do and it is one on one.

1. you tell the person to do everything that you do.
2. you pick up the pistol and put it in a safe direction. you put it down and have the student pick it up and point it in a safe direction.
3. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, and then drop the magazine. You then have the student do it.
4. you pick up the pistol, point it in a safe direction, drop the magazine and open the slide. Then you have the student do it.

You are having the student go through the process of making his weapon safe. You teach through the point of loading and unloading. Monkey see/monkey do ingrains a procedure of making safe in the student.



I agree, though I think what really helps is having someone watching you for the first hour you are handling a pistol and pointing out every time you point it somewhere you shouldn't. I think many people just don't have awareness of where the muzzle is pointing and being reminded a bunch early on helps build good awareness.

I wasn't looking so much for gory pictures as pictures that remind you that people can and do accidentally shoot themselves and others. I actually feel like the post-op stitches pictures and stories are the best at remind you of the long term consequences of getting lazy with gun safety.

Thanks for the links and pictures.


This is true. I have never accidentally shot someone (something I can't say for my former buddy... ) because I never point guns at people, loaded or unloaded. I've had a few rounds touch off earlier than I intended, but they were pointed down range, so it didn't really matter.

If there was one rule never to be broken, it would be muzzle awareness. If you don't point the gun at something you don't want to destroy, limited "bad" can come out of having an ND. If my buddy had paid attention to where the end of the gun was pointed, I'd be graduating from the police academy in 12 days and there might be a hole in a few DVD's of mine, or the wall, but not me.
marcushire  [Member]
5/5/2010 7:27:39 PM
Originally Posted By lee_h:

Originally Posted By marcushire:


Story? Self inflicted?

Just got off work so, I'm a little late. It was not self inflicted. It was dumbass friend inflicted. He wasn't paying complete attention to what he was doing and at some point placed a loaded magazine in his pistol. A few minutes later he decided to "dry" fire to make sure he had reassembled everything correctly and I just happened to be walking by. It was less than pleasant.

Considering how skinny I am (6'5, 170 lbs), I'm amazed how little damage was done. Other than the obvious holes, I only had a hairline fracture on the fibula.

Yeah, it eventually buffed out.

I don't think the bullet even started to deform passing through my leg. All the damage to it came from hitting a wall.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/lee_h15/Picture051.jpg


Talk about wrong place at the wrong time.

Thanks for sharing and I hope you are back to normal!
Agent_Funky  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 7:29:39 PM


I'm betting that stung a little.

How do you go on for debris in the wound and infection? What was the healing time like....?

Keith_J  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 7:32:27 PM
Can we include make and model of pistol?
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
5/5/2010 7:38:54 PM
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Can we include make and model of pistol?


Mine was a Glock 19 (9mm of course), Winchester Ranger SXT 127gr +P+ ammo.

Oh, and in before the Glock haters.
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