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operatorerror  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:31:42 PM EST
A two part question...

Do any energy drinks contain ephedrine or pseudoephedrine?

Can energy drinks cause a blood test to show a positive for amphetamines?

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ecgRN  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:34:36 PM EST
No x2.
operatorerror  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:36:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By ecgRN:
No x2.


Can ephedrine or pseudoephedrine from another source cause a positive test for amphetamines?
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 9:37:20 PM EST
if you want a real energy drink get some sudafed syrup and drink it all that will perk your shit up and its legal too
ecgRN  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:39:20 PM EST
I believe tests for amphetamines are too specific and won't flag with OTC ephedrine or pseudoephedrine....


EDIT: Some pharm guy will need to clarify....


Originally Posted By philbillton:
if you want a real energy drink get some sudafed syrup and drink it all that will perk your shit up and its legal too


Nice.
operatorerror  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:42:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By philbillton:
if you want a real energy drink get some sudafed syrup and drink it all that will perk your shit up and its legal too


I ain't looking to do stupid shit. I am trying to determine if someone else may have.
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 9:47:19 PM EST
yeah well maybe some of us have to work nights and you know what sudafedrine or even better back in the day EPHEDRINE which was all natural and came from some kinda grass is how to do it safe legal and effective or else it was/ still should be

keep you in shape too dude



ecgRN  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:49:28 PM EST
I work nights.

I ain't looking to do stupid shit either.

Originally Posted By philbillton:
keep you in shape too dude



philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 9:54:34 PM EST
wtf is all this bitchy pouty face shit.

can you go to the store and buy it over the counter legally?

yeah

that's because it aint illegal

can you buy cigarettes legally? yeah, not illegal

booze?

guns?

WTF, it's perfectly legal

it aint like taking some pills or drinking some shit makes you a fucking meth cook now is it

try it out dude, the man here already said it doesnt come up for meth in a piss test

what have you got to lose?

being tired

fat

just do it dude

and if you need to sleep you can go to the doctor and tell him you cant sleep and he will give you some LEGAL ambien, lunesta, xanax, valium, whatever works for you

no laws broken no BS nothing wrong with a little better living through science dude

operatorerror  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:59:11 PM EST
Thank you for your input...

Delta  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 9:59:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
A two part question...

Do any energy drinks contain ephedrine or pseudoephedrine?

Can energy drinks cause a blood test to show a positive for amphetamines?



NO

NO

You are OK, I just took a piss test and I drink the energy drinks. I also work nights, they also did a blood test on me 5 days ago for insurance. GOOD

You will be fine
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 10:01:32 PM EST
besides dude can you imagine all the gross shit they put in energy drinks

suger caffeine all kinds of chemical shit

ephedrine comes from herbs and is just 1 chemical, it tastes bad maybe yeah, but so what it's 1 chemical
energy drinks taste like shit too and even then they have so much sugar and shit in them you'll get fat

GrasshopperNOmore  [Member]
3/17/2010 10:02:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By philbillton:
wtf is all this bitchy pouty face shit.

can you go to the store and buy it over the counter legally?

yeah

that's because it aint illegal

can you buy cigarettes legally? yeah, not illegal

booze?

guns?

WTF, it's perfectly legal

it aint like taking some pills or drinking some shit makes you a fucking meth cook now is it

try it out dude, the man here already said it doesnt come up for meth in a piss test

what have you got to lose?

being tired

fat

just do it dude

and if you need to sleep you can go to the doctor and tell him you cant sleep and he will give you some LEGAL ambien, lunesta, xanax, valium, whatever works for you

no laws broken no BS nothing wrong with a little better living through science dude




Taking drugs to stay awake, then taking other drugs to sleep is not "better living" at all.
operatorerror  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 10:03:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By Delta:
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
A two part question...

Do any energy drinks contain ephedrine or pseudoephedrine?

Can energy drinks cause a blood test to show a positive for amphetamines?



NO

NO

You are OK, I just took a piss test and I drink the energy drinks. I also work nights

You will be fine


LOL! Not me!

And this is NOT a piss test. This is a BLOOD test that turned up positive for amphetamines. The person tested insists that they did NOT smoke, shoot, ingest or in anyway use any amphetamines. Said person suggested that it may be energy drinks.

I don't know. An online search has turned up conflicting opinions. I was hoping the ARFcom knowledge base might be of assistance.


eta I trust the person in question. I just hope that this person hasn't gone down the meth path.
2A373  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 10:04:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
I ain't looking to do stupid shit. I am trying to determine if someone else may have.


Have someone test positive and they are trying to say its because of all the energy drinks?

Answered while I was typing.

Delta  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 10:06:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
Originally Posted By Delta:
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
A two part question...

Do any energy drinks contain ephedrine or pseudoephedrine?

Can energy drinks cause a blood test to show a positive for amphetamines?



NO

NO

You are OK, I just took a piss test and I drink the energy drinks. I also work nights

You will be fine


LOL! Not me!

And this is NOT a piss test. This is a BLOOD test that turned up positive for amphetamines. The person tested insists that they did NOT smoke, shoot, ingest or in anyway use any amphetamines. Said person suggested that it may be energy drinks.

I don't know. An online search has turned up conflicting opinions. I was hoping the ARFcom knowledge base might be of assistance.




Energy drinks will not + a blood test. Unless they are mainlining the shit which is highly unlikely. Look deeper than energy drinks, you may have a tweaker
TexasDoubleTap  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 10:06:35 PM EST
Styken  [Member]
3/17/2010 10:09:29 PM EST
I am an amateur bodybuilder. I've taken piles of that stuff before. It's horrible for your body. If you need to tweak yourself to stay awake for whatever reason, take it, it will do the job. DO NOT take it to help you build, you will destroy your heart (and liver). One more ridiculous side affect of illegalization of a myriad of drugs, it only encourages use of legal drugs that are 10x more destructive on the body.
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 10:10:19 PM EST
Taking drugs to stay awake, then taking other drugs to sleep is not "better living" at all.


hard times stressful shit, night work dude who are you to judge?

i dont mean like take ambien every night to sleep but like, if you really need to hit the hay to be up a certain time and you really gotta be rested then ambien or xannies or wahtever will knock you out and you can do your business

uafgrad  [Life Member]
3/17/2010 10:10:47 PM EST
I once had a mother call me to ask why we had given her son medicine that made his drug test come back positive for cocaine. After a quick WTF moment, I pulled his chart and looked. We gave him ibuprofen

Had a 45 year old lady call and ask me if the drugs we gave her (again a NSAID like Ibuprofen) could make her have positive pregnancy test. I told her sure........................................ if you're pregnant. She didnt see the humor that I did


You will not fail a drug screen for meth because you drank energy drinks (atleast ones commerically produced in the US)
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 10:11:17 PM EST
ya i just mean it, you know, burns shit up so you dont get fat

i'm not a body builder no way but still you know lean is the way to be.

operatorerror  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 10:11:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Delta:

Energy drinks will not + a blood test. Unless they are mainlining the shit which is highly unlikely. Look deeper than energy drinks, you may have a tweaker



I have found info online that ephedrine may actually skew results but it is anecdotal at best. I am hoping that this person has not used any illegal drugs but so far...


So anyone know how long amphetamines can stay in the system?
Delta  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 10:45:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
Originally Posted By Delta:

Energy drinks will not + a blood test. Unless they are mainlining the shit which is highly unlikely. Look deeper than energy drinks, you may have a tweaker



I have found info online that ephedrine may actually skew results but it is anecdotal at best. I am hoping that this person has not used any illegal drugs but so far...


So anyone know how long amphetamines can stay in the system?



This is what I was told as far as time line, so it could be wrong.

Cocaine ––3-4 days
Meth- 10-14days

Pot 27-30 days. depends on your fat index, the THC is stored in your fat cells
RyJones  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 11:17:54 PM EST
ask the lab that did the test. they'll tell you no to both your questions; they can also tell you how far back the test detects use.
GlutealCleft  [Member]
3/17/2010 11:21:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By philbillton:
wtf is all this bitchy pouty face shit.

can you go to the store and buy it over the counter legally?

yeah

that's because it aint illegal

can you buy cigarettes legally? yeah, not illegal

booze?

guns?

WTF, it's perfectly legal

it aint like taking some pills or drinking some shit makes you a fucking meth cook now is it

try it out dude, the man here already said it doesnt come up for meth in a piss test

what have you got to lose?

being tired

fat

just do it dude

and if you need to sleep you can go to the doctor and tell him you cant sleep and he will give you some LEGAL ambien, lunesta, xanax, valium, whatever works for you

no laws broken no BS nothing wrong with a little better living through science dude



Uh.... if you think that taking uppers during the day and sleeping pills at night is going to lead to a better life... good luck with that.
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 11:27:37 PM EST
more like the other way around man, work at night
ecgRN  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 11:43:44 PM EST
Better living through chemistry....good luck with that.

I've worked night for the last 18 years and have never ridden the upper/downer roller coaster....legal or otherwise.

Coffee's still legal....isn't it?
philbillton  [Member]
3/17/2010 11:48:00 PM EST
i tried the coffee/energy drinks to stay up and then booze to sleep but i have to say the alternative is better than that

I hope i don't have to work nights much longer and its been rough but maybe shit will turn up soon.

topknot  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 11:50:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By ecgRN:
I work nights.

I ain't looking to do stupid shit either.

Originally Posted By philbillton:
keep you in shape too dude





Same here, I just drink copious quantities of Joe.
BB223  [Member]
3/17/2010 11:59:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By philbillton:
ya i just mean it, you know, burns shit up so you dont get fat

i'm not a body builder no way but still you know lean is the way to be.





Yeh dawg it made of plants and shyt, it all natural an its legal man like whoa

Ya dig

?
Jonny_Flashbang  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 12:46:09 AM EST
Sounds like some serious narcotics to me.
Madcap72  [Member]
3/18/2010 1:09:05 AM EST
I think this thread qualifies for the best misunderstanding to OP question ratio imaginable.


OP, if you trust the guy, and your the one making the shots, see if he can retest in a few days on the caveat he's on call 24/7 to be tested, and then stay hard on him testing.



As far as I know energy drinks do not create a false positive.
Mosin_Nagant  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 1:57:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By philbillton:
if you want a real energy drink get some sudafed syrup and drink it all that will perk your shit up and its legal too

Somehow I think cocaine would be a better option than downing a bottle of cough syrup every night.
Your1Savior  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 8:25:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
Originally Posted By Delta:

Energy drinks will not + a blood test. Unless they are mainlining the shit which is highly unlikely. Look deeper than energy drinks, you may have a tweaker



I have found info online that ephedrine may actually skew results but it is anecdotal at best. I am hoping that this person has not used any illegal drugs but so far...


So anyone know how long amphetamines can stay in the system?


Anywhere between 2-5 days.

Sometimes you can have a false positive for a drug, but two times in a row... far less likely. I'd test him again... if he tests positive again, sit him down and ask for a truthful answer FROM HIM. And depending on the type of employee he is (whether he's a hard worker or not) tell him that you want to get him some help and that his employment is contingent on the fact that he does get help.

I would wager a good chunk of money that he's using. Stating that energy drinks caused him to test positive is such a tweaker response. He's trying to tie any perceived wired, jittery behaviors that would cause you to suspect him of using. If he had said something about cough medicine or something, it would be more believable.

List of false-positive causing OTC drugs

EDIT: Just went back and read that it was a blood test... I would doubt that this would produce a false positive. Blood tests are much more accurate than piss tests.
philbillton  [Member]
3/18/2010 8:35:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mosin_Nagant:

Originally Posted By philbillton:
if you want a real energy drink get some sudafed syrup and drink it all that will perk your shit up and its legal too

Somehow I think cocaine would be a better option than downing a bottle of cough syrup every night.



Not every night just when you cant stay up and coffee gives me fuckin heart burn like no other.

Relaxing and going to sleep can do normally through the card i got from the doctor and the legally obtained legal natural plants you can get here legally, but that dont work with sudafed it makes you too jumpy and antsy and your heart speeds up, so thats why the doc can give you ambien, xanax, lunesta, valium, etc etc if you need it but dude energy drinks are some nasty shit

why have like 5 chemicals plus sugar and caffine when you can just take some sudafed?


Your1Savior  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 9:13:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By philbillton:
Originally Posted By Mosin_Nagant:

Originally Posted By philbillton:
if you want a real energy drink get some sudafed syrup and drink it all that will perk your shit up and its legal too

Somehow I think cocaine would be a better option than downing a bottle of cough syrup every night.



Not every night just when you cant stay up and coffee gives me fuckin heart burn like no other.

Relaxing and going to sleep can do normally through the card i got from the doctor and the legally obtained legal natural plants you can get here legally, but that dont work with sudafed it makes you too jumpy and antsy and your heart speeds up, so thats why the doc can give you ambien, xanax, lunesta, valium, etc etc if you need it but dude energy drinks are some nasty shit

why have like 5 chemicals plus sugar and caffine when you can just take some sudafed?




I've been reading your posts in other threads, and I'm just going to leave this here



wingnutx  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 9:23:30 PM EST
Ephedrine was re-legalized, btw.

A lot of people don't realize that.

Never seen an energy drink with it, though.

I used to buy drink mix with it, years ago.
zoom  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 9:40:46 PM EST
I can verify that ephedrine will show-up as amphetamines with the urine tests we did with LabCorp. Admittedly we were using their cheapest tests, but I know for a fact it does because it did for me. At the time I was taking 8mg each night to help me (and my wife) sleep. I snore noticeably less when taking it. After getting complaints from applicants that our test was flawed, I did it myself just for the heck of it, and I failed the test. I also tested positive for cocaine metabolite. I have no explanation for that one since I've never seen, much less used, cocaine. The only wild guess I have for that one is that I usually drink hot chocolate at work in the afternoons rather than coffee.z
NathanJK  [Member]
3/18/2010 10:20:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By philbillton:
wtf is all this bitchy pouty face shit.

can you go to the store and buy it over the counter legally?

yeah

that's because it aint illegal

can you buy cigarettes legally? yeah, not illegal

booze?

guns?

WTF, it's perfectly legal

it aint like taking some pills or drinking some shit makes you a fucking meth cook now is it

try it out dude, the man here already said it doesnt come up for meth in a piss test

what have you got to lose?

being tired

fat

just do it dude

and if you need to sleep you can go to the doctor and tell him you cant sleep and he will give you some LEGAL ambien, lunesta, xanax, valium, whatever works for you

no laws broken no BS nothing wrong with a little better living through science dude



DUDE, go back to California and give your English classes another try.
EXPcustom  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 10:24:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:
Originally Posted By philbillton:
wtf is all this bitchy pouty face shit.

can you go to the store and buy it over the counter legally?

yeah

that's because it aint illegal

can you buy cigarettes legally? yeah, not illegal

booze?

guns?

WTF, it's perfectly legal

it aint like taking some pills or drinking some shit makes you a fucking meth cook now is it

try it out dude, the man here already said it doesnt come up for meth in a piss test

what have you got to lose?

being tired

fat

just do it dude

and if you need to sleep you can go to the doctor and tell him you cant sleep and he will give you some LEGAL ambien, lunesta, xanax, valium, whatever works for you

no laws broken no BS nothing wrong with a little better living through science dude




Taking drugs to stay awake, then taking other drugs to sleep is not "better living" at all.

Neither is taking drugs and posting on a forum about better living through science.


EXPcustom  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 10:32:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jonny_Flashbang:
Sounds like some serious narcotics to me.

He did not test positive for opiates.

Mr. Flashbang
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